Poole 2018

[CB252 1,376]

Hans Nielsen knocks them both into a cocked hat.

Forget individual world titles, of which Nielsen was robbed of about half a dozen, his machine like brilliance at league level is unrivalled. 1986 season dropping just three points and going unbeaten away from home.

Brilliant team rider, the best gater ever, able to pass (sometimes with brute force!).

Tony was good, but as good as Hans? Not a chance.

[Steve Shovlar 10,439]

Neilsen was good. A great league rider, when he had pick of gate positions.  In his prime on a par with Ivan and Tony, but over a period, nah.

[ray c 2,299]

1 hour ago, foreverblue said:

It could be argued that winning a gp series is harder than winning a one off meeting.

Or the other way round one wrong move in a one of meeting or a ef and thats it more chances to be world champ in gps i think imo

[Steve Shovlar 10,439]

Definately harder to win a gp series than a one off world final where a fall or ef could end the favourites chances. 

[Gavan 5,049]

16 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said:

Definately harder to win a gp series than a one off world final where a fall or ef could end the favourites chances. 

lol really?

Ask Mark Loram whats harder to win. Granted you can have a one off winner who has a bit of luck on the day, but a gp over 12 rounds the best rider will win.

If the GP system was about in the mid to late 80's Hans Nielsen would have won loads more titles, including the 1994 season when Tony won his first.

 

 

Edited March 23, 2018 by Gavan

[Gavan 5,049]

49 minutes ago, stevebrum said:

Absolutely disagree.  Any rider that rode 9 of the 12 rounds is by any definition a 2017 GP rider. He may well have started the season as first reserve however became a full time rider due to injuries of others.

It's a disgraceful technicality to say that because he started as a reserve is a legit argument. Don't buy that at all.

100% spot on

Iversen rides in 7 rounds and comes in on plus 9

Pedersen rides in 2 rounds and comes in on 9

Kildemand rides in 9 rounds but can convert to 7.

Please how on earth is that fair..................oh yes its Poole 

[Pinny 2,536]

2 hours ago, Sidney the robin said:

You carry on in sunny Aussie until you are seventy enjoy,    well i will be retired at 55  now mind you don't get to pissed.!!

70 dont think so squire, my job pays well enough here my nailbag and hammer will be well and truly hung up by the time I am 50, enjoying a happy retirement on golden beaches with an ice cold lager. 

Watch you dont do your back in stacking too many boxes of cheap Lidls wine pal, make sure you bend your knees and keep your back straight when lifting old man

[Pinny 2,536]

17 minutes ago, Gavan said:

100% spot on

Iversen rides in 7 rounds and comes in on plus 9

Pedersen rides in 2 rounds and comes in on 9

Kildemand rides in 9 rounds but can convert to 7.

Please how on earth is that fair..................oh yes its Poole 

Quite simple really, NKI and Pedersen were declared fully fledged gp riders at the start of 2017... Kildemand wasnt. He was a reserve. 

Its like calling a reserve in a 1-7 team a heatleader because he rides in heat 13 every meeting as an r/r or a reserve change!!

peter kildemand at the start of 2017 was first reserve for the gp series therefore not a declared GP rider. Its as simple as that. 

And no, he doesnt become a fully fledged gp rider because of injuries, as had nicki, niels and whoever else was injured all came back, he would of been back out of the series. 

Sadly there were injuries and he raced AS A RESERVE for most of the series . He was never a fully fledged grand prix rider at any point in 2017. No matter how fair you think it is or isnt, its there for all to see.

his signing for Poole is 100 percent legit. Accept it and move on ffs.

 

Edited March 23, 2018 by Pinny

[stevebrum 6,820]

1 minute ago, Pinny said:

Quite simple really, NKI and Pedersen were declared fully fledged gp riders at the start of 2017... Kildemand wasnt. He was a reserve. 

Its like calling a reserve in a 1-7 team a heatleader because he rides in heat 13 every meeting as an r/r or a reserve change!!

peter kildemand at the start of 2017 was first reserve for the gp series therefore not a declared GP rider. Its as simple as that. 

Sadly there were injuries and he raced AS A RESERVE for most of the series . He was never a fully fledged grand prix rider at any point in 2017. No matter how fair you think it is or isnt, its there for all to see.

his signing for Poole is 100 percent legit. Accept it and move on ffs.

 

9 rounds ridden proves different. 

[ray c 2,299]

36 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said:

Definately harder to win a gp series than a one off world final where a fall or ef could end the favourites chances. 

Not sure how you work that out loads more chances in gp series to be champion none in a one off

Edited March 23, 2018 by ray c

[Pinny 2,536]

Just now, stevebrum said:

9 rounds ridden proves different. 

How does it prove different?!

as I said, its like a number one crashing in heat 1 of a league meeting. The number 7 replaces him in the rest of his rides, does that mean the number 7 is no longer a reserve?! No it does not.

peter kildemand started 2017 as first gp reserve and due to numerous injuries, stood in for 9 gps. As a reserve. He was not a declared SGP rider at any point during the season.

nothing left to see here - a perfectly legit signing by Poole.

[stevebrum 6,820]

Just now, Pinny said:

How does it prove different?!

as I said, its like a number one crashing in heat 1 of a league meeting. The number 7 replaces him in the rest of his rides, does that mean the number 7 is no longer a reserve?! No it does not.

peter kildemand started 2017 as first gp reserve and due to numerous injuries, stood in for 9 gps. As a reserve. He was not a declared SGP rider at any point during the season.

nothing left to see here - a perfectly legit signing by Poole.

Started as reserve then elevated into the series full time.  If he had become World Champion I'd assume your point would be the same?

[Steve Shovlar 10,439]

Pinny, you are talking to Gavan and Brum. You are going to have to make your point simpler.

 

Here you go.

Kildemand WAS NOT a GP rider, just a reserve. He comes in on his official average. End of.

[Pinny 2,536]

6 minutes ago, stevebrum said:

Started as reserve then elevated into the series full time.  If he had become World Champion I'd assume your point would be the same?

He didnt “elevate” into the series full time, he was first reserve all season. 

Smolinski, Fricke and Jepsen Jensen all raced as series reserves in 2017 as well... should they be classed as 9.00 GP riders as well?

kildemand only rode in 9 gps as he was first reserve, if Fricke had been first reserve and raced in 9 gps would there of been calls to make him a 9.00 rider for belle vue?! Of course there wouldnt. 

Like it or not, the rules state Peter Kildemand was a first reserve and not a full time member of the GP field. And no, had he became world champ my stance would be the same. He done it as a reserve although this would of meant a 2018 permanant wild card therefore being saddled with a 9.00 figure

[Gavan 5,049]

3 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said:

Pinny, you are talking to Gavan and Brum. You are going to have to make your point simpler.

 

Here you go.

Kildemand WAS NOT a GP rider, just a reserve. He comes in on his official average. End of.

So in 1999 if Mark Loram had of scored 5 more points he would have been on the rostrum but was only a reserve. Im guessing by your logic that means he wouldnt have been classed as world number 3 as he wasnt a GP rider.

Please explain how you think its right that Kildemand rode in more grand prix then Iversen or Nicki Pedersen but yet can come in on 2 points lower??