KevH 257 Posted May 30, 2018 4 minutes ago, Bald Bloke said: I think Lynn did. But money talks. Well it did then. Lynn may legitimately claim Ward, but Maciek has to be credited to Swindon. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bald Bloke 3,281 Posted May 30, 2018 4 minutes ago, KevH said: Lynn may legitimately claim Ward, but Maciek has to be credited to Swindon. Nah Magic was on the cresp of a wave. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pinny 2,536 Posted May 31, 2018 But wasnt maintained and was let go which is when Poole picked him up as a second string and a fairly average one at that. ward and Janowoski were signed as second strings by Poole and both left as world class number ones... as was Holder although he has been to the top and is on the way back down. How many clubs actually bring a rider on from a rookie all the way to a world class rider? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bald Bloke 3,281 Posted May 31, 2018 26 minutes ago, Pinny said: But wasnt maintained and was let go which is when Poole picked him up as a second string and a fairly average one at that. ward and Janowoski were signed as second strings by Poole and both left as world class number ones... as was Holder although he has been to the top and is on the way back down. How many clubs actually bring a rider on from a rookie all the way to a world class rider? They would have developed into the same riders.It's just Poole signed them at the right time.. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pinny 2,536 Posted May 31, 2018 2 hours ago, Bald Bloke said: They would have developed into the same riders.It's just Poole signed them at the right time.. How do you know? Its like saying Lindgren could of been signed by Belle Vue and developed into the same rider as he is now. The fact is when Poole signed Magic he had been a second string for a few years . When he left Poole he was a 9 point number one. Darcy Ward and Holder were signed as second strings and both eventually became number ones. None of those three were anything like number ones when they joined Poole so how can you say they would of done that wherever they rode? Youll never know. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grachan 7,314 Posted May 31, 2018 1 hour ago, Pinny said: How do you know? Its like saying Lindgren could of been signed by Belle Vue and developed into the same rider as he is now. The fact is when Poole signed Magic he had been a second string for a few years . When he left Poole he was a 9 point number one. Darcy Ward and Holder were signed as second strings and both eventually became number ones. None of those three were anything like number ones when they joined Poole so how can you say they would of done that wherever they rode? Youll never know. I think it was pretty well known from the very start that Ward and Holder would become World class. Both were being talked about before they even came to the UK. Janowski not so much so. He was promising at Swindon, but Zengota was probably seen as being better. He came on a lot when at Poole, although his developement is probably more down to the Polish league than here. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
colin wood 249 Posted May 31, 2018 Talking of clubs improving riders ,It's a well known fact that Peter Craven Ivan Mauger, Ove Fundin, Peter Collins, and Jason Crump only became world champions because they signed for Belle Vue.They would have got nowhere otherwise lol. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pinny 2,536 Posted May 31, 2018 1 hour ago, Grachan said: I think it was pretty well known from the very start that Ward and Holder would become World class. Both were being talked about before they even came to the UK. Janowski not so much so. He was promising at Swindon, but Zengota was probably seen as being better. He came on a lot when at Poole, although his developement is probably more down to the Polish league than here. And who was it who brought Holder to the UK ? Poole and let IOW use him until he was EL ready. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bazlux 26 Posted May 31, 2018 Ivan Mauger was a world champion before he signed for Belle Vue. He was at Newcastle. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BobC 664 Posted May 31, 2018 1 hour ago, colin wood said: Talking of clubs improving riders ,It's a well known fact that Peter Craven Ivan Mauger, Ove Fundin, Peter Collins, and Jason Crump only became world champions because they signed for Belle Vue.They would have got nowhere otherwise lol. Fundin was already a 4 times World Champion before he signed for Belle Vue! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hyabb17 1,077 Posted May 31, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Pinny said: And who was it who brought Holder to the UK ? Poole and let IOW use him until he was EL ready. Swindon with Leigh Adams, took him as a 2 point rider in 1989 (I think) & he went on from there. Edited May 31, 2018 by hyabb17 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steve Shovlar 10,424 Posted May 31, 2018 2 minutes ago, hyabb17 said: Swindon with Leigh Adams, took him as a 2 point rider in 1989 (I think) & he went on from there. Poole took Adams, not Swindon. Adams moved to Swindon from Poole when Poole were still NL. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hyabb17 1,077 Posted May 31, 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said: Poole took Adams, not Swindon. Adams moved to Swindon from Poole when Poole were still NL. He came over & joined Poole for one season before we took him into the top league & he kicked on from there. I should have said that. It was just an answer to Pinny's question. Edited May 31, 2018 by hyabb17 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pinny 2,536 Posted May 31, 2018 9 minutes ago, hyabb17 said: He came over & joined Poole for one season before we took him into the top league & he kicked on from there. I should have said that. It was just an answer to Pinny's question. Adams spent the best part of a decade riding elsewhere and reaching his peak before returning to Swindon though didnt he? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Starman2006 2,353 Posted May 31, 2018 35 minutes ago, hyabb17 said: Swindon with Leigh Adams, took him as a 2 point rider in 1989 (I think) & he went on from there. Wrong. He was still riding for Poole in 89. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites