racers and royals 8,696 Posted December 1, 2017 Who are the 7 GP riders? Cook,Harris, Nicholls,Holder,Batchelor,Bjerre,Andersen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hyderd 1,216 Posted December 1, 2017 My minimum 7 GP riders are.The top 5 should be nailed on with Vaculik already putting pen to paper, fixed nights is already done,scraping the 9 point rule will help entice the final 2 riders J Doyle, he is a priority F Lindgren C Cook C Holder M Vaculik M Zagar (Possible) M Janowski,(can M Ford tempt him) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pirates Of Poole 759 Posted December 1, 2017 Magic is a no go because of rules at Poole. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hyderd 1,216 Posted December 1, 2017 Magic is a no go because of rules at Poole. What rules at Poole. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steve Shovlar 10,424 Posted December 1, 2017 What rules at Poole. Think what POP meant was we already have a one over 8 rider so therefore all the negotiations were a waste of time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hyderd 1,216 Posted December 1, 2017 Think what POP meant was we already have a one over 8 rider so therefore all the negotiations were a waste of time. Â I mentioned MJ without knowing his last UK average, as that is the average we should be using if we are to move forward in getting GP rider back. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flagrag 703 Posted December 1, 2017 It has to remembered that BT are not doing this for nothing they are offering to cover all the production costs which will be over 18k a meeting and BT are keen to assist BSPA getting sponsorship so have offered to allow centre green ads like Poland and give promotions list of regular advertisers during speedway broadcasts. Â In my personal opinion British Speedway is lucky this deal is on the table as they could be like some sports like Netball,Rowing, and Greyhounds that pay the broadcaster to show their sport 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steve Shovlar 10,424 Posted December 1, 2017 (edited) Greyhounds would not exist but for gambling. Its not really a sport. No one goes along to support a dog. Â Netball is no more than a jolly school sportfor girls and again rowing nothing more than an elite sport which only has passing interest when the olympics take place. Â Speedway for all its sins has a proper league structure snd a fanbase. It has clubs which are connected to towns. Â The bspa are right to ask for more than 3k. The 18k it costs to broadcast is irrelevant. Bt need live sports and a repeat of the 1993 cricket Gillette cup semi final will hardly have good viewing figures. Â 3k is seriously a joke of an offer and an insult. I spend that on my business almost daily. Edited December 1, 2017 by Steve Shovlar 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MattK 3,447 Posted December 1, 2017 3k is seriously a joke of an offer and an insult. I spend that on my business almost daily.  £3,000 does seem less than what it would cost clubs to offer £10 entry. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Haza 1,765 Posted December 1, 2017 Greyhounds would not exist but for gambling. Its not really a sport. No one goes along to support a dog. Â Netball is no more than a jolly school sportfor girls and again rowing nothing more than an elite sport which only has passing interest when the olympics take place. Â Speedway for all its sins has a proper league structure snd a fanbase. It has clubs which are connected to towns. Â The bspa are right to ask for more than 3k. The 18k it costs to broadcast is irrelevant. Bt need live sports and a repeat of the 1993 cricket Gillette cup semi final will hardly have good viewing figures. Â 3k is seriously a joke of an offer and an insult. I spend that on my business almost daily. I agree with what you say there summer schedule is very poor once the football and rugby seasons end there is endless repeats of past football world cups past Euro Championship- they certainly havent enough sports for 3 channels let alone live sport - BT needs Speedway I think as one of its few live sports in the summer . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevebrum 6,819 Posted December 1, 2017 My minimum 7 GP riders are.The top 5 should be nailed on with Vaculik already putting pen to paper, fixed nights is already done,scraping the 9 point rule will help entice the final 2 riders J Doyle, he is a priority F Lindgren C Cook C Holder M Vaculik M Zagar (Possible) M Janowski,(can M Ford tempt him) Zagar unlikely because of the Polish rule and 9 point reassessment. Janowski is a no go now that Brady has signed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A ORLOV 8,628 Posted December 1, 2017  £3,000 does seem less than what it would cost clubs to offer £10 entry. Agreed, nor does it cover the other requirements of BT. It is likely that it does not cover the number who would stay at home and watch the meeting on tv. If the need for GP riders are part of the deal, what are they going to cost the clubs, bearing in mind any GP rider will want paying all season and not just for one meeting. So £3000 does not cover the club costs. Now that the bspa have stipulated only one rider over an average of 8, they have killed the inclusion of GP riders Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grand Central 2,654 Posted December 1, 2017 (edited) All the arguments in favour of ANY deal to get the sport on TV are as valid as always, especially for the long term position of the sport ...  BUT  The specific terms set out by BT look as if they are just impossible for any promoter to sign up for when they considered their costs for 2018.  No one can realistically expect them to be able to deliver on a guaranteed 7 GP men. The costs would be immensely greater than anything that could be recouped from sponsorship or gate receipts.  £3000 would not come close to the costs of putting on a TV meeting AND reducing admission to £10. Especially when you were committed in the contract to giving all the 'plum' meetings to that arrangement.  I have always thought, and said here, that BT would be able to offer a poor 'take it or leave it' deal. Which they so definitely have. And I had been of the opinion that 'taking it' would turn out to be the correct move  But if Flagrag is correct with the extra commitments being demanded of the promoters. They are just asking the impossible.  So 'leaving it' will be the only POSSIBLE decision the Promoters can make, I don't think BT have left them with much choice, I'm afraid. Edited December 1, 2017 by Grand Central 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hyderd 1,216 Posted December 1, 2017 Zagar unlikely because of the Polish rule and 9 point reassessment. Janowski is a no go now that Brady has signed. care to put your 7 together without getting shut of the reassessed averages, I have already stated I didn't know what MJ last UK average was 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hamish McRaker 600 Posted December 1, 2017 Is BT serious? It makes you wonder if anyone doing the negotiations on their side has a clue about Speedway. So would they, for example, be happy with 7 GP riders plus 49 NL/development level riders making up the teams? Its sounding like the Brexit negotiations. If both sides can drop their silly games, and that means the BSPA stop persecuting GP riders, they could have a chance. Somebody has said it's a team sport. Well, it's now up to the BSPA to go out and win a main sponsor to bring in the finance. BT would be providing the advertising space. But it doesn't help their cause by pratting about with rules like the 1 over 8 and now this business about assessed averages. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites