Teterow Germany Gp Saturday 9th September

[PHILIPRISING 7,298]

Track obviously had to be exactly how Holder wants it. Wet and slushy and dangerous is fine..,..dry and grippy off he sulks

BUT was it dangerous?

[Fromafar 10,359]

Interesting Zager praising PJR for his engines when others are deserting him,proves it more about set-ups.

[False dawn 2,298]

No comparison to the track last night and Lynn on meltdown night.

 

Last night the track was wet but smooth and slick if slushy. Lynn was a dry night but huge grip which caused the issues. Totally opposite track conditions.

Was it Kelvin in commentary that said something to the effect, "Dry, wet, grippy, dusty, you've got to ride them all"?

[bruno 1,790]

Riders warned for anticipating the start, isn't that what there supposed to do. If there not moving and don't touch the tapes surely that's a perfect start

[PHILIPRISING 7,298]

Was it Kelvin in commentary that said something to the effect, "Dry, wet, grippy, dusty, you've got to ride them all"?

DID he say dangerous?

[False dawn 2,298]

DID he say dangerous?

One man's dangerous is another man's track record (almost) apparently.

You ride a bike, a very powerful (tuned) bike, set up for a badger's arse on a grippy track and it'll frighten the life out of you.

[Fromafar 10,359]

Riders warned for anticipating the start, isn't that what there supposed to do. If there not moving and don't touch the tapes surely that's a perfect start

Doyle got to anticipate the start but Janowski got excluded .Not consistent.

[THE DEAN MACHINE 4,738]

One man's dangerous is another man's track record (almost) apparently.

You ride a bike, a very powerful (tuned) bike, set up for a badger's arse on a grippy track and it'll frighten the life out of you.

that is very true

[False dawn 2,298]

Now you all know I'm a nerd. But my interest here goes beyond simple statistics.

Does anyone have the race times for last night's GP?

[BWitcher 12,453]

 

 

The referee. Awful. Too many restarts when not required, got the Zmarzlik exclusion woefully wrong & thought was very harsh on Lindgren who was riding in a straight line when Dudek wasn't & they touched.

 

 

Agree about some of the restarts but the Zmazlik decision was 100% correct. A no brainer.

Wholly inaccurate on Havelock in 1992. He had few, if any equals internationally in 1992. He won his British Semi & the British Final, reached a run off for the Commonwealth title despite riding with a badly injured hand. He then won the Overseas title & was second in his WC semi, before winning the title at a 5 ride average of 13.33 per meeting.

 

He ripped through his card in the world pairs semi, passing several riders easily including Nielsen & Knudsen & scored paid 17 in the final, excluding the run off.

 

He top scored for England in their WTC qualifier with 14, his only poor meeting was the final in which he scored 7.

 

Over those 10 meetings his 5 ride average was 13.07 & if you exclude the WTC final it was 13.72.

 

I would respectfully suggest he had a decent claim to be champion that year.

That's fair enough Steve, if that's how you see it. Few other riders complained. Can Holder not rider grip?

 

Totally agree with this, mentioned it earlier in the thread. People forget Havvy's success on the International stage that year.

[Ghostwalker 1,859]

Riders warned for anticipating the start, isn't that what there supposed to do. If there not moving and don't touch the tapes surely that's a perfect start

 

disagree, the start is about reaction not anticipation.

[bruno 1,790]

Mmmmmm maybe, got me thinking

[PHILIPRISING 7,298]

 

disagree, the start is about reaction not anticipation.

THAT'S correct. Riders are not allowed to move before the tapes do.

[racers and royals 8,723]

THAT'S correct. Riders are not allowed to move before the tapes do.

I found it interesting that watching on Saturday - the gate 4 riders pulled back for a false start obviously were looking intently at the release mechanism - and i believe saw the release and moved - however because they were so close and saw it first they were ahead of the others in the ref`s mind. Have a look at the video to see if i`m correct .

[speedibee 3,091]

Doyle got to anticipate the start but Janowski got excluded .Not consistent.

Doyle gets rollers all the time , and when Woffy beat him to the first turn the ref called it back and Woffy got warned ,,, rubbishe ref

WASN'T at KL or Teterow but can we compare the condition of the two tracks? The track at Teterow didn't appear dangerous although it was far from perfect and not conducive to decent racing until the final stages.

 

As I said, wasn't at KL but have had some interesting confidential conversations with people ho believe that all the facts of that fateful night at KL have yet to emerge. They might if Holder goes ahead with an appeal.

Why would he bother with an appeal ? he doesn't want to ride here anyway , or is he now rubbishting his pants because he's crap and the Poles might not want him .. never mind Holder you can stay home and earn a living from speedway there ..