eric i 610 Posted September 25, 2017 Vaculik has 10 points more than Holder, if he extends that in the last 2 GPs I think its difficult to justify picking Holder. However if Holder can get a few points back I think his past record will see him grab the wildcard. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
norbold 7,098 Posted September 25, 2017 I can't really see any circumstances where Holder will not get a wildcard. Personally I don't have much time for him, but his record in the GP over the last few years will surely see him being given a pick. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mark 1,497 Posted September 25, 2017 I can't really see any circumstances where Holder will not get a wildcard. Personally I don't have much time for him, but his record in the GP over the last few years will surely see him being given a pick. If that is the case I hope Vaculik is 8th, Zagar 9th. No way can they drop Zagar after 2 GP wins. No way back for Holder in that situation unless Hancock retires. Nothing against Holder but I can't understand the logic of allowing Holder a card if he finishes well below the other two and has not won a GP.. All to race for in Torun and Melbourne. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedcarRacer 228 Posted September 25, 2017 Hancock, Holder and Iversen will get wild cards if they want them - no doubt about it. Then as long as Pedersen doesnt want it...Vaculik will get it. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ghostwalker 1,858 Posted September 25, 2017 (edited) Iversen showed very little pre-injury this season that he is certain for a wild card and Holder should only get one if he finish ahead of Vaculik.Vaculik have been much more consistent then Holder this season and should be higher in the pecking order for a wild card hand out. Vaculik have also been better then Holder in the leagues. Vaculik is 11th (2.038) in the Polish average list and 18th (1.729) in Sweden.Holder have 1.773 (25th) in Poland and 1.685 (23rd). Something that happened 5 years ago is not a good metric for next season. If Holder wants to be a SGP-rider for 2019 then he should do the qualifiers in 2018 for the 2019 series. If they really need a second Australian give the wild card to Fricke. If Kildemand continues to do well give the Danish wild card to him. Kildemand have two more points then NKI and both have missed three GP:s. Then one to the winner of SEC and the final one to 9th placed rider. Edited September 25, 2017 by Ghostwalker 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
norbold 7,098 Posted September 25, 2017 (edited) I understand what everyone is saying about why Holder shouldn't get a wildcard for next year, but I believe the word is Realpolitik. He will get one, there is absolutely no doubt about it. Edited September 25, 2017 by norbold Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mark 1,497 Posted September 25, 2017 I agree with Ghostie that Holder so do the 2018 GP qualifiers. Plenty of other riders like Iversen should do them as well. Riders can't expect wild cards due to nationality or Monster. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trees 2,814 Posted September 25, 2017 Kildemand is a liability to the other riders.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nw42 2,048 Posted September 26, 2017 Kildemand is a liability to the other riders.... If that's the case then he's the perfect replacement for Pedersen then, like for like. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedcarRacer 228 Posted September 26, 2017 Why does any keep referring to form - it really isnt about that this time around, there is new blood coming in with Pawlicki and Cook, as has been stated - and loyalty is a big thing here, hence why Holder and Hancock will get offers. Then a Dane HAS to be in, so Iversen is the man given how reliable he is and solid - Kildemand, as has been said isnt as popular as some. The final place will be more interesting... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lucifer sam 3,953 Posted September 26, 2017 I understand what everyone is saying about why Holder shouldn't get a wildcard for next year, but I believe the word is Realpolitik. He will get one, there is absolutely no doubt about it. In other words, he'll be in because of Monster All the best Rob Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RPNY 608 Posted September 26, 2017 In other words, he'll be in because of Monster All the best Rob Certainly wont hurt his cause! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lucifer sam 3,953 Posted September 26, 2017 (edited) Chris Holder’s GP record is surprisingly unimpressive for a former World Champion: 2010 8th 2011 8th 2012 FIRST 2013 12th 2014 8th 2015 7th 2016 4th 2017 Currently 10th In other words, he’s finished in the top six just twice. To make sure of a GP spot in 2018, Chris Holder surely needs to overhaul Martin Vaculik in the final standings. Greg Hancock and a Dane are cast iron certainties for a wildcard, leaving two others. There are a number of young riders knocking on the door e.g. Lebedevs who was much more impressive than Holder in the SWC, and I feel at least one wildcard has to be to a rider outside the series. If it comes down to a straight choice between Vaculik and Holder on 2017 form, then surely it has to be Vaculik, unless Holder can do something special in the final two rounds… All the best Rob Edited September 26, 2017 by lucifer sam Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
racers and royals 8,712 Posted September 26, 2017 Chris Holder’s GP record is surprisingly unimpressive for a former World Champion: 2010 8th 2011 8th 2012 FIRST 2013 12th 2014 8th 2015 7th 2016 4th 2017 Currently 10th In other words, he’s finished in the top six just twice. To make sure of a GP spot in 2018, Chris Holder surely needs to overhaul Martin Vaculik in the final standings. Greg Hancock and a Dane are cast iron certainties for a wildcard, leaving two others. There are a number of young riders knocking on the door e.g. Lebedevs who was much more impressive than Holder in the SWC, and I feel at least one wildcard has to be to a rider outside the series. If it comes down to a straight choice between Vaculik and Holder on 2017 form, then surely it has to be Vaculik, unless Holder can do something special in the final two rounds… All the best Rob I can`t agree that 1 wildcard has to be from outside the series- the 2017 line-up is the best for many a long year- and not all of them can finish in the top 8. with Laguta and Cook in with Prem Pawlicki Obviously a Dane must be in and I suppose Greg but then 9th and 10th deserve the last 2 spots. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SCB 0 Posted September 26, 2017 Chris Holder’s GP record is surprisingly unimpressive for a former World Champion: 2010 8th 2011 8th 2012 FIRST 2013 12th 2014 8th 2015 7th 2016 4th 2017 Currently 10th In other words, he’s finished in the top six just twice. To make sure of a GP spot in 2018, Chris Holder surely needs to overhaul Martin Vaculik in the final standings. Greg Hancock and a Dane are cast iron certainties for a wildcard, leaving two others. There are a number of young riders knocking on the door e.g. Lebedevs who was much more impressive than Holder in the SWC, and I feel at least one wildcard has to be to a rider outside the series. If it comes down to a straight choice between Vaculik and Holder on 2017 form, then surely it has to be Vaculik, unless Holder can do something special in the final two rounds… All the best Rob Not a great record for a World Champion but hard to argue with the record as a GP rider. He deserves a wildcard looking at them numbers. Quite simply, he IS a top 15 rider in the World and thats all that should really matter. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
