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Aussies aren't doing that great, are they?

The only one that is performing consistently at World level is Doyle and he took a long time to get there.

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The aussies are all doing good they ride many leagues and they beat the brits in the world games so that tells me they are doing good

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The aussies are all doing good they ride many leagues and they beat the brits in the world games so that tells me they are doing good

Did you not watch the world cup? England pasted the Aussies without our number one. The Poles are light years ahead of everyone as they have the facilities to bring riders on & as the sport is huge over there, there is funding & lots of willing youngsters

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Did you not watch the world cup? England pasted the Aussies without our number one. The Poles are light years ahead of everyone as they have the facilities to bring riders on & as the sport is huge over there, there is funding & lots of willing youngsters

Yes I did watch the World Cup home track big home crowd but no good in the final. Speedway is a sport were the more you do it the better you get. The Aussies ride here and in Europe then all go back to Australia then ride thier championships they don't let any other country get involved then they all come back and wipe our arses early season when all the big events are on and we wonder why The British rider can't compete plus there is a lot of good British riders with no ride WHY?

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Did you not watch the world cup? England pasted the Aussies without our number one. The Poles are light years ahead of everyone as they have the facilities to bring riders on & as the sport is huge over there, there is funding & lots of willing youngsters

The poles like the swedes and Danes have proper training,coaching schools on different size of tracks to suit from a young age which gives them a great start for racing speedway the earlier the better most of the new generation riders are very young with loads of racing under the belts

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The poles like the swedes and Danes have proper training,coaching schools on different size of tracks to suit from a young age which gives them a great start for racing speedway the earlier the better most of the new generation riders are very young with loads of racing under the belts[/quote

Tell us why British speedway can't do the same when I go watching live speedway there is always young riders waiting to have a ride only to be told sorry lads you can't go on we can't be bothered watching you go round trying to kill your selfs come back another day we'll see what we can do or wait for the winter championship you'll get a ride there it will only cost you £60 for 5 rides that's if your still in one piece after your first couple of rides because practice makes perfect.British speedway someone needs to get a grip or there will be no British riders

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Yes I did watch the World Cup home track big home crowd but no good in the final. Speedway is a sport were the more you do it the better you get. The Aussies ride here and in Europe then all go back to Australia then ride thier championships they don't let any other country get involved then they all come back and wipe our arses early season when all the big events are on and we wonder why The British rider can't compete plus there is a lot of good British riders with no ride WHY?

Lack of Track time for a start. Money for equipment possibly.

 

As to why so many British Riders don't have a Team. Averages probably, Foreign Riders definitely.

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Who are the good British riders without a team this season being referred to?

I'd say we should also note that only the pick of the aussues come over to the UK, those that are not good enough stay at home.

And not all the aussies race in their national championship - likes of holder and Doyle don't for a start.

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Lack of Track time for a start. Money for equipment possibly.

 

As to why so many British Riders don't have a Team. Averages probably, Foreign Riders definitely.

What do you mean averages if your lucky enough to have a big average that must mean your doing well?

Who are the good British riders without a team this season being referred to? I'd say we should also note that only the pick of the aussues come over to the UK, those that are not good enough stay at home.And not all the aussies race in their national championship - likes of holder and Doyle don't for a start.

Holder and Doyle did do national championships because they have won them the amount of riding they are doing now means they need a rest that's why holder as got a ban he needed a rest midway through the season. The Aussies enter the world under 21s in their teens and win them can the British do that? ITS ALLABOUT BIKE TIME RACE TIME AND MONEY. There will always be British speedway but we could run out of British riders unless someone with a brain comes along as for British riders with not enough rides there is to many to mention look at how many have packed in racing

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Yes I did watch the World Cup home track big home crowd but no good in the final. Speedway is a sport were the more you do it the better you get. The Aussies ride here and in Europe then all go back to Australia then ride thier championships they don't let any other country get involved then they all come back and wipe our arses early season when all the big events are on and we wonder why The British rider can't compete plus there is a lot of good British riders with no ride WHY?

And Australia did what exactly? At least England got to to the final, which is more than the Aussies did. The Aussies race KL as often as the English lads, so no home track advantage.

 

You need to understand the differences between what has happened here & abroad. In Denmark, Sweden, Poland & Australia, for example, the tracks are pretty much exclusively owned by the clubs & there aren't the do gooders there that there are here bleating about noise etc. The track problem is a historic one. Back in speedway's hey-day with massive crowds & lots of tracks, speedway promoters piggy backed tracks off greyhound, rugby & football stadia & paid rent. They creamed off huge profits & made loads of money & didn't reinvest in the infrastructure of the sport by building their own stadiums at a time when it would have been easier to do so as planning restrictions were looser. Essentially some of the problems of today, stem from greed of promoters when things were good.

 

As time has gone on with planning harder & people moaning about noise etc, it has been more difficult to have facilities for kids to train & learn, although there is some improvement in this.

 

Another issue is the demise of grass track racing. Back in the 70's, 80's & 90's there were big meetings on the grass every 5 minutes & kids learnt the art of racing etc on the grass as there were loads of opportunities. Foot & mouth, which caused loads of issues in the rural UK, planning & noise have seen numbers of meetings fall & less riders as a result.

 

The old style second halves disappearing hasn't helped either.

 

Finally, the obvious problem of money.

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I'd say lack of ambition. You only have to look at the number of Australian's in the Ekstraliga (five if you discount Schlein who's only ridden once), compared to a single Brit.

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Ok so can you name one good British rider without a team place this year then?

 

No – it appears it was said as it seemed popular and the right thing to say, but it isn’t actually true - unless Joe Jacobs is the one being spoken about.

 

One of the also referenced faults in the British system seems to be a lack of track time afforded to riders - something that would only reduce further with a hard and fast rule of - riders must race for one club and one club only – thus an implementation of such a rule would only further damage the development of British talent going by the logic being applied by some?

 

For me – the current system in Britain isn’t built for progression much beyond becoming a good rider in this country – it is in part why Australian riders are starting to stagnate so much as they depend so heavily on British speedway to polish (no pun intended) the skills they had developed in Australia, and thus a weak British setup feeds into a weak Australian setup.

 

There are very low standards here now, a low water mark - a stripping back of the product was always going to intrinsically link to a stripping back of quality.

 

A rider doesn’t get the chance to line up at the tapes with the likes of Rickardson, Adams and Crump as often as they used to – they don’t get to view them, see what it takes to become the best – how a top riders acts, behaves and prepares themselves – they don’t get to leave meetings with the cold realisation of just how far from the top they are and thus an element of desire to improve has been removed

 

At a time when the “Elite League” was closer to the term “Elite” riders had to hit an incredibly high standard just to survive in the league, if riders managed to master the league in the ways the likes of Richardson, Nicholls and Harris did they had a real chance to compete on the world stage, as they were racing riders they knew how to beat – and doing that offered a higher chance of being afforded more chances on the world stage, and thus more chances to improve.

 

These days a rider the ilk of Cook only has to strive to regularly beat the likes of Palm Toft, Lawson and Kim Nilson to be a top dog in his territory, it isn’t any wonder that doesn’t correlate with consistent performance on the continent – or the chance to sign for sides on the continent as performance in this country no longer means anything on the world stage.

 

It all feeds in and is a decision many have lived with and accept to see the sport survive, yet there is a continual want from some fans to strip standards back even further.

Edited by Hacksaw Jim Duggan

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