Jump to content
British Speedway Forum

Recommended Posts

If a rider ever tries to free himself from this restraint, he could try buying himself out of it, offering say £1 to his "owners" who would presumably reject it and state their price.

In such a case, would the arbitration system apply? Or would it have to be adjudicated by a different court?

Would this be a possible way of rendering the asset system defunct?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
8 minutes ago, Hamish McRaker said:

If a rider ever tries to free himself from this restraint, he could try buying himself out of it, offering say £1 to his "owners" who would presumably reject it and state their price.

In such a case, would the arbitration system apply? Or would it have to be adjudicated by a different court?

Would this be a possible way of rendering the asset system defunct?

There is another issue when a rider reaches his 18th birthday, who if riding prior to that date had his parents sign any riding contract, who then refuses to sign the contract offered, as the rider has becomes an adult and has to sign any agreements or contracts himself.   Any club wanting that rider could ignore any previous signed contract or agreement.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
48 minutes ago, Hamish McRaker said:

If a rider ever tries to free himself from this restraint, he could try buying himself out of it, offering say £1 to his "owners" who would presumably reject it and state their price.

In such a case, would the arbitration system apply? Or would it have to be adjudicated by a different court?

Would this be a possible way of rendering the asset system defunct?

I believe that within current regulations a rider is not permitted to own their own registration - it has to be an a promotion

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
8 minutes ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said:

I believe that within current regulations a rider is not permitted to own their own registration - it has to be an a promotion

Correct, or by the BSPA on behalf of the absent team or promoter.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
6 hours ago, Skidder1 said:

Linus is a Poole asset so why wouldn't he be in discussion with Poole?  He was first choice to replace the injured KK early last season but couldn't make the fixtures work for him, hence Poole getting Zengota instead!!

I never said he shouldn't be. My point is that we should have tried to sign him (we may well have but I doubt it). 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

What a system! There has to be some control, in a reasonable and legal way, but this seems to be overly one-sided. A good lawyer would tear it to pieces.

When a rider signs his first UK club contract, does it really state that the club/promotion has those lasting rights over him?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
26 minutes ago, Hamish McRaker said:

What a system! There has to be some control, in a reasonable and legal way, but this seems to be overly one-sided. A good lawyer would tear it to pieces.

When a rider signs his first UK club contract, does it really state that the club/promotion has those lasting rights over him?

Yep - and no rider can compete without signing his registration to a promotion

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

It's been said before, but it's still true - British speedway's asset system is effectively one which was ruled illegal in football years ago by the European Court, and was thereby brought to an abrupt end. 

 

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Speedway does not face the same rules as football. It never will due to the nature of it. 

 

We have one league that is worth all the other league sports across Europe put together. We ever Poland says goes. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

With the asset system,i don't get how you can own a rider so to speak without actually paying them.They are actually self employed or not surely?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, tellboy said:

With the asset system,i don't get how you can own a rider so to speak without actually paying them.They are actually self employed or not surely?

Slavery was abolished nearly 200 years ago. Nobody is 'owned.'

What is owned is 'the contract'. Effectively the intangible asset of the right to enter into negotiations with a view to engaging the rider's services.

 

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
36 minutes ago, arnieg said:

Slavery was abolished nearly 200 years ago. Nobody is 'owned.'

What is owned is 'the contract'. Effectively the intangible asset of the right to enter into negotiations with a view to engaging the rider's services.

 

 

Ok the contract being owned.But unlike other sports ie football,if a club owns the contract of a player they still have to pay him whether he plays or not.But in speedway then,the club owns the contract but don't have to pay him if he doesn't ride for them thus making kind of self employed.It is a weird set up don't you think.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

So (with apologies to Rye House supporters whose thread this is!) what happens when a rider retires from speedway? Presumably his registration is cancelled, and the contract along with it? But then he subsequently un-retires ( eg David Howe)....does that contract resume as before, or is he free to obtain a new contract and registration with a new club?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Just now, Hamish McRaker said:

So (with apologies to Rye House supporters whose thread this is!) what happens when a rider retires from speedway? Presumably his registration is cancelled, and the contract along with it? But then he subsequently un-retires ( eg David Howe)....does that contract resume as before, or is he free to obtain a new contract and registration with a new club?

The registration remains with the club indefinitely

In your example the club holding Davids registration before his retirement would still have held it upon his return

That club wouldve had first priority for his services and have had to agree to his signing elsewhere whilst also picking up a loan fee in that scenario

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
4 hours ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said:

The registration remains with the club indefinitely

In your example the club holding Davids registration before his retirement would still have held it upon his return

That club wouldve had first priority for his services and have had to agree to his signing elsewhere whilst also picking up a loan fee in that scenario

So it sounds like death is the only way of revoking a contract unless a transfer is successfully completed. 

Brings that movie called The Firm to mind!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Please sign in to comment

You will be able to leave a comment after signing in



Sign In Now

×

Important Information

We have placed cookies on your device to help make this website better. You can adjust your cookie settings, otherwise we'll assume you're okay to continue. Privacy Policy