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9 minutes ago, waytogo28 said:

I agree with you to some extent but, the list of defunct clubs is extensive.

Completely agree however the reasons for a lot of the extensive clubs list is nothing to do with the way speedway is run today.

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Group A

Belle Vue, Wolverhampton, Sheffield, Workington, Scunthorpe

Group B

Glasgow, Edinburgh, Berwick, Newcastle, Redcar

Group C

Poole, Swindon, Somerset, Eastbourne**, Leicester

Group D

Rye House, Lakeside, Kings Lynn, Ipswich, Peterborough

Teams in Group A would ride 2x Home 2x Away against teams in their own group - 16 Meetings

They would ride one meeting home and away against teams in the other two groups - So group B and C one season, C/D the next - 20 Meetings

Playoffs:

4 Group Winners would meet in semi finals with the two winners proceeding to the grand final.

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59 minutes ago, Aces High said:

Group A

Belle Vue, Wolverhampton, Sheffield, Workington, Scunthorpe

Group B

Glasgow, Edinburgh, Berwick, Newcastle, Redcar

Group C

Poole, Swindon, Somerset, Eastbourne**, Leicester

Group D

Rye House, Lakeside, Kings Lynn, Ipswich, Peterborough

Teams in Group A would ride 2x Home 2x Away against teams in their own group - 16 Meetings

They would ride one meeting home and away against teams in the other two groups - So group B and C one season, C/D the next - 20 Meetings

Playoffs:

4 Group Winners would meet in semi finals with the two winners proceeding to the grand final.

Local derbies, less travel money for the riders, bigger crowds, clearly you don't understand how speedway works at all.

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6 hours ago, stevebrum said:

No one league please!! There just aren’t enough riders to fill all teams so it’s not going to happen. Thank god.

i.e., Wolverhampton's ok, to hell with everybody else. The biggest problem with the one league would be accommodating those tracks whose win at all costs mentality would be most likely to disrupt the spirit and principles, Poole and Wolverhampton being prime suspects. Perhaps they could apply to the Polish Ekstraliga and let us get on with building something workable without the 'stars' those tracks seem sadly dependent on?

The are plenty of riders if you actually think it through. The problem is the fans of certain tracks believing they still have the right to track riders like Lindgren and Woffinden. They tend to say "If that happens I'm off". Let me hold the door open. Do you REALLY think we can carry on as we are? 

Oh and as for your insensitive comments about tracks closing and re-opening. Well, mine shut in 1973 and it didn't come back. It still hurts. It's easy to be casual about other people's clubs folding when you've had a stable run since 1984. Yes some teams have come back, but it's not a casual matter and deeply insensitive. Again, "It's all great at Wolverhampton so why worry about the rest". Well when you find your fixture list comprises Poole and Belle Vue...........

I remember the sole occasion when Wolves ran in D2 in 1981. The loyal supporters fled and the track shut for three years. It's not really something to be proud of. 

I asked people to imagine a bright future. Many thankfully can see it and what it will take. Sadly some just want what they've got and hope it keeps going. 

Imagine a fixture list like I suggested.

Imagine one where you can only watch two midweek nights a week, home and AWAY, where your local derby is 100 miles away and you have month long gaps in the schedule and you never know who will turn up for the match, assuming they've nothing better to do. 

I know which one I prefer. 

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1 hour ago, RobMcCaffery said:

i.e., Wolverhampton's ok, to hell with everybody else. The biggest problem with the one league would be accommodating those tracks whose win at all costs mentality would be most likely to disrupt the spirit and principles, Poole and Wolverhampton being prime suspects. Perhaps they could apply to the Polish Ekstraliga and let us get on with building something workable without the 'stars' those tracks seem sadly dependent on?

The are plenty of riders if you actually think it through. The problem is the fans of certain tracks believing they still have the right to track riders like Lindgren and Woffinden. They tend to say "If that happens I'm off". Let me hold the door open. Do you REALLY think we can carry on as we are? 

Oh and as for your insensitive comments about tracks closing and re-opening. Well, mine shut in 1973 and it didn't come back. It still hurts. It's easy to be casual about other people's clubs folding when you've had a stable run since 1984. Yes some teams have come back, but it's not a casual matter and deeply insensitive. Again, "It's all great at Wolverhampton so why worry about the rest". Well when you find your fixture list comprises Poole and Belle Vue...........

I remember the sole occasion when Wolves ran in D2 in 1981. The loyal supporters fled and the track shut for three years. It's not really something to be proud of. 

I asked people to imagine a bright future. Many thankfully can see it and what it will take. Sadly some just want what they've got and hope it keeps going. 

Imagine a fixture list like I suggested.

Imagine one where you can only watch two midweek nights a week, home and AWAY, where your local derby is 100 miles away and you have month long gaps in the schedule and you never know who will turn up for the match, assuming they've nothing better to do. 

I know which one I prefer. 

What an odd interpretation of what I said and meant, which you have 100% wrong.

British speedway always comes first for me before club. IF Wolves had to move their race night I’d change my plans to suit. Maybe that wouldn’t suit everyone but again I’m only talking about myself. 

How is my comment on defunct tracks anyway “insensitive”?  Lots of tracks have closed over many years - Wimbledon, Wembley, New Cross,  Southampton,  cradley as examples, as a result of several factors that aren’t the governing bodies fault directly. How is a statement of fact “insensitive”? It’s not so please don’t dramatise my meaning of the meaning of the post.

if you have taken my post as meaning ‘my clubs ok so who cares about anyone else’ then you couldn’t be any further than the truth.

where are all these ‘plenty of riders’ that would fill all teams in one big league?? If you count up the riders who ride for 2 sometimes 3 teams you will see just how many riders we have in use, of course you can add in a few more extra riders who might return (not the big names of course, they want LESS meetings or shared role) but I doubt there would be enough to fill all teams. Plus the imbalance of some teams would make those who are assembled weakly in grave danger of falling crowds and potential ruin. So is one big league the answer?? Unlikely without a completely different race format.

im a big fan of British speedway, volunteer at Birmingham and take great pleasure in watching the great new talent that is emerging for a much brighter international future for GB.

im a top flight snob, not ashamed to admit it in the slightest. I’d prefer the strongest top flight we can, it’s not going to happen tho.

But to say I care only care about Wolves and s*d everyone else is a damn right insult. And yes I do take your reply as an insult to my intellect.

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1 hour ago, stevebrum said:

What an odd interpretation of what I said and meant, which you have 100% wrong.

British speedway always comes first for me before club. IF Wolves had to move their race night I’d change my plans to suit. Maybe that wouldn’t suit everyone but again I’m only talking about myself. 

How is my comment on defunct tracks anyway “insensitive”?  Lots of tracks have closed over many years - Wimbledon, Wembley, New Cross,  Southampton,  cradley as examples, as a result of several factors that aren’t the governing bodies fault directly. How is a statement of fact “insensitive”? It’s not so please don’t dramatise my meaning of the meaning of the post.

if you have taken my post as meaning ‘my clubs ok so who cares about anyone else’ then you couldn’t be any further than the truth.

where are all these ‘plenty of riders’ that would fill all teams in one big league?? If you count up the riders who ride for 2 sometimes 3 teams you will see just how many riders we have in use, of course you can add in a few more extra riders who might return (not the big names of course, they want LESS meetings or shared role) but I doubt there would be enough to fill all teams. Plus the imbalance of some teams would make those who are assembled weakly in grave danger of falling crowds and potential ruin. So is one big league the answer?? Unlikely without a completely different race format.

im a big fan of British speedway, volunteer at Birmingham and take great pleasure in watching the great new talent that is emerging for a much brighter international future for GB.

im a top flight snob, not ashamed to admit it in the slightest. I’d prefer the strongest top flight we can, it’s not going to happen tho.

But to say I care only care about Wolves and s*d everyone else is a damn right insult. And yes I do take your reply as an insult to my intellect.

Fair play to you, Stevebrum. I have enjoyed reading Rob McCaffery's posts but I feel he may have rather over-reacted to yours.

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3 minutes ago, White City Rebel said:

Fair play to you, Stevebrum. I have enjoyed reading Rob McCaffery's posts but I feel he may have rather over-reacted to yours.

Thanks WCR, likewise I usually find Rob’s post of interest and informative. I’m puzzled at the response in all honesty.

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