Poole V Swindon Semi Final 1st Leg 11/9/17

[noggin 1,388]

100% rubbish.ive watched it back at least 6 times and you can clearly see the red lights came on after Doyle fell.Really was a shocking decision .

Hold on a minute, I'm only repeating what others have said, so don't go jumping on my post only.

[lisa-colette 6,018]

What's wrong with a rider celebrating a win. Nothing, he's entitled to do so. His interview during the break was interesting, said he needed more time on the bike. Was there to score points for Swindon & that was it. Again, he's self employed so it's perfectly acceptable. Should have have more points but looked slow in his first ride & made a few mistakes due to the 3/4 bend catching him out.

 

It wasn't Newman which won the match for Swindon, it was Poole's own riders losing it for them. Lathi done what most said, struggle in the top 5 as he did previously,

 

 

What a load of rubbish! BWD got 6 last time? Kyle got 8, you won by 2 so he did win them the meeting. Also the meeting before Lahti dropped to reserve he scored 12 at Poole, obviously not using the engine he had been!

[STEVEHOLS54 380]

Seen lots of criticism for Holder jr which can understand from frustrated fans after his recent successes in Poland and Peterborough.

 

However lets maybe not be too harsh.

 

In last seasons semis a certain B.Kurtz scored 7 from 4 at home and 0 from 3 away. 7 from 7. That's 4 points av per 4 rides over the 2 legs. He was also replaced by reserves in his last 2 rides. Even Kurtz was up and down in his first season in the top flight.

 

I think he will improve, but big question is after this season can Matt Ford allow for what will be ups and downs next season.

 

Too much pressure on young riders imo.

 

It was similar with Kurtz last year although I think Kurtz is and will be better rider overall.

 

I think Holders future may well depend on whether M.Ford can get a really good number 1 for 2018. Holders low GSA of 5.86 and dropping again after 3 points from 4 rides last night is still a reasonably low GSA for a rider with such potential. His scores for Peterborough and in Poland show he is no donkey especially if on the right equip. Plus he is only 21 with 1 season less in UK than Kurtz who is 6 months younger.

 

I think Kurtz has over performed this year and only just about to turn 21.

 

Its so easy to get angry and upset with riders when meetings go wrong but considering Holders age and experience in UK he is for me coming along nicely and will improve. (Of course will have good/bad meetings but no diff to Kurtz last season).

 

The real anger has to be levied at people like Lahti and other who have not performed when they should have, which can be levied throughout the team.

 

I would still like to see a young progressive and exciting Poole team in 2018 with Kurtz/Holder as well as Woryna and someone like F Jakobsen if possible. Add some good H/L strength and make it a team well worth watching.

 

Hope M.Ford chooses wisely this time.

[lisa-colette 6,018]

I never dismiss anyones opinions.

 

When people like you start abusing and name calling you have lost the battle young man.

 

I though Lahti would do a whole lot better than he did.

 

You then said he had beaten nobody, dross i think was the word you used......i then gave you evidence of who he had beat.....hardly dross.

 

My opinion was wrong on this one, i never forced it on anyone just gave my opinion and the reasons why.

 

The fact you feel it necessary to come on here and try to gloat is quite pathetic and childish really. If its what you enjoy then carry on.

 

I hold my hands up if my opinions are wrong.....shame none of you so called Poole fans with many usernames do the same

You complaining about someone name calling??!! Absolutely priceless!!!

Robins updates on twitter put that at the 11th hour Kyle wasn't going to ride so they got BWD to travel to the stadium but then it got sorted out just before BWD arrived. If you don't believe me go on twitter to @RobinsUpdates

[Bald Bloke 3,281]

Credit to Kyle though for slowing the race up.

Not to suggest anything untoward but the last two heats have kept it interesting for BT and may put a few more on the gate for the second leg.

Realistically a Robins win by 16/20 in two weeks time.

I think it will a fair bit closer than that Baz.

[Supersub 79]

I think it will a fair bit closer than that Baz.

I agree, I think Poole will be up for but still lose.

[Gavan 5,049]

What a load of rubbish! BWD got 6 last time? Kyle got 8, you won by 2 so he did win them the meeting. Also the meeting before Lahti dropped to reserve he scored 12 at Poole, obviously not using the engine he had been!

Lisa before posting have a look at the facts.

 

BWD got 6 from 4 rides riding at heat leader.

Kyle got 8 from 5 rides riding from reserve.

 

Im not saying BWD would have got 8 last night we will never know but the change of Newman for BWD 100% didnt win the meeting for Swindon. It was the shocking performance from another in the line of whinging Aussies

 

If your going to make sweeping statements like that 2 point won Swindon the meeting you need to be able to back it up.

Seen lots of criticism for Holder jr which can understand from frustrated fans after his recent successes in Poland and Peterborough.

 

However lets maybe not be too harsh.

 

In last seasons semis a certain B.Kurtz scored 7 from 4 at home and 0 from 3 away. 7 from 7. That's 4 points av per 4 rides over the 2 legs. He was also replaced by reserves in his last 2 rides. Even Kurtz was up and down in his first season in the top flight.

 

I think he will improve, but big question is after this season can Matt Ford allow for what will be ups and downs next season.

 

Too much pressure on young riders imo.

 

It was similar with Kurtz last year although I think Kurtz is and will be better rider overall.

 

I think Holders future may well depend on whether M.Ford can get a really good number 1 for 2018. Holders low GSA of 5.86 and dropping again after 3 points from 4 rides last night is still a reasonably low GSA for a rider with such potential. His scores for Peterborough and in Poland show he is no donkey especially if on the right equip. Plus he is only 21 with 1 season less in UK than Kurtz who is 6 months younger.

 

I think Kurtz has over performed this year and only just about to turn 21.

 

Its so easy to get angry and upset with riders when meetings go wrong but considering Holders age and experience in UK he is for me coming along nicely and will improve. (Of course will have good/bad meetings but no diff to Kurtz last season).

 

The real anger has to be levied at people like Lahti and other who have not performed when they should have, which can be levied throughout the team.

 

I would still like to see a young progressive and exciting Poole team in 2018 with Kurtz/Holder as well as Woryna and someone like F Jakobsen if possible. Add some good H/L strength and make it a team well worth watching.

 

Hope M.Ford chooses wisely this time.

The reason Poole scrapped into the top 4 was mainly due to Lahti in the last few matches including paid 13 away at Somerset.

 

For Poole fans to then pick on him for last night is a tad uncalled for..............maybe he shouldnt have scored so well in the last few matches and Poole fans could have watched Rye House v Swindon last night

Edited September 12, 2017 by Gavan

[foreverblue 6,081]

Lisa before posting have a look at the facts.

 

BWD got 6 from 4 rides riding at heat leader.

Kyle got 8 from 5 rides riding from reserve.

 

Im not saying BWD would have got 8 last night we will never know but the change of Newman for BWD 100% didnt win the meeting for Swindon. It was the shocking performance from another in the line of whinging Aussies

 

If your going to make sweeping statements like that 2 point won Swindon the meeting you need to be able to back it up.

The reason Poole scrapped into the top 4 was mainly due to Lahti in the last few matches including paid 13 away at Somerset.

 

For Poole fans to then pick on him for last night is a tad uncalled for..............maybe he shouldnt have scored so well in the last few matches and Poole fans could have watched Rye House v Swindon last night

Yes but if he had ridden BWD would not have got 8 or 6 as he was coming back from injury. Lahti was largely the reason why we got in to the play offs but now he lets us down in the play offs.

[BurntFaceMan 413]

A dodgy track, no home advantage, an engine failure, a blind referee, Rosco pulling a fast one with a Poole track specialist for a race fit rider, no tactical ride available and Swindon won by a whopping... 2 points! Write off Poole at your peril. A team very capable over turning over Swindon at home if all firing together on a decent track. And the bonus Matt Ford will be offering them for a packed grand final at Wimborne road should give them that extra kick up the bum.

 

Poole have nothing to lose, everything to gain and very capable.

Edited September 12, 2017 by BurntFaceMan

[hyabb17 1,077]

Brad rode at 3 last time out. A much tougher number than reserve & scored 6 + 1. At reserve he should be able to match that, if not better it. We will never know though.

 

If Lathi scores a min of 3 which he should have been able to do you win.

 

Poole had 10 last places which is why you lost the meeting.

 

What a load of rubbish! BWD got 6 last time? Kyle got 8, you won by 2 so he did win them the meeting. Also the meeting before Lahti dropped to reserve he scored 12 at Poole, obviously not using the engine he had been!

Robins update isn't an official twitter feed by the way, ran by fans who do a good job.

And he was told on medical grounds not to ride according to their updates thus Newman was legit.

You complaining about someone name calling??!! Absolutely priceless!!!
Robins updates on twitter put that at the 11th hour Kyle wasn't going to ride so they got BWD to travel to the stadium but then it got sorted out just before BWD arrived. If you don't believe me go on twitter to @RobinsUpdates

Edited September 12, 2017 by hyabb17

[ray c 2,299]

A dodgy track, no home advantage, an engine failure, a blind referee, Rosco pulling a fast one with a Poole track specialist for a race fit rider, no tactical ride available and Swindon won by a whopping... 2 points! Write off Poole at your peril. A team very capable over turning over Swindon at home if all firing together on a decent track. And the bonus Matt Ford will be offering them for a packed grand final at Wimborne road should give them that extra kick up the bum.

 

Poole have nothing to lose, everything to gain and very capable.

i think you will find the race was stopped because hans moved at the start in which he was given a warning

[thecoombdog 2,367]

Gotta say how much Ellis has improved in last few weeks since riding at 2. I will be honest and say I thought he was just a gating tart but he has proved me wrong last few weeks. Even if he is at Poole next season you could still he was giving 100% last night to beat them. Hope he stays in 2018

[stevebrum 6,820]

What a load of rubbish! BWD got 6 last time? Kyle got 8, you won by 2 so he did win them the meeting. Also the meeting before Lahti dropped to reserve he scored 12 at Poole, obviously not using the engine he had been!

I think it's a fair assumption that a rider that scored 6+1 from 4 rides riding at number 3 is likely to score more from reserve from 5 or 6 rides.

[Baldyman 6,243]

I don't know why people keep going on about what someone scored once and that they might have got. North scored 18 at Ipswich once, don't think he hardly ever hit a double figure score again. Morris scored paid 21 at ipswich once, be lucky if he has score 21 points added together in his next 5 meetings there. Same with Miskoviak at wolves and lakeside scoring about 17 and 19, be lucky if he ever scored half of that ever again.

[Aces51 2,778]

To use one previous meeting as a guide is ridiculous. How many times do we see rider's scores vary considerably from visit to visit. Even at home the scores of riders like BWD can show considerable variation partly because riders who are developing their skills tend to be inconsistent.

 

The only reliable guide is to look at scores at a particular track over a period of time, take into account the numerous factors that can influence performance, position in the team, engine problems, the opposition etc and then make an educated guess. Like all statistical analysis you need an acceptable amount of data on which to base an assessment, even then the analysis is no more than a guide.