ch958 2,395 Posted September 25, 2017 as someone has said - i do believe there is no point in expending effort and cash on advertising until its credible and worth turning up for. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alan_Jones 1,005 Posted September 25, 2017 2 Team averages should always be 45.00,in all leagues , there are 90 points a match so why go below that?? Because rider averages are calculated over 4 rides which effectively reduces a 15 heat match to the equivalent of 14 heats and thus 42 points/team for a draw. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waiheke1 4,295 Posted September 26, 2017 Because rider averages are calculated over 4 rides which effectively reduces a 15 heat match to the equivalent of 14 heats and thus 42 points/team for a draw. Hard to believe this needs explaining again... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lord Skid 425 Posted September 26, 2017 Are you sure about that, thought it was points divided by rides X 4 Might be wrong, as that was probably last week's rules. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
THE DEAN MACHINE 4,740 Posted September 26, 2017 Need to get rid of averages , teams can sign any rider in top 5 but has to be 1 Brit and only allow 1 go rider , 2 reserves have to be British u21 and like in Poland they can stay at reserve till the 22, a team that had a rider this season gets first pick on that rider 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tsunami 10,219 Posted September 26, 2017 Need to get rid of averages, teams can sign any rider in top 5 but has to be 1 Brit and only allow 1 go rider , 2 reserves have to be British u21 and like in Poland they can stay at reserve till the 22, a team that had a rider this season gets first pick on that rider Definitely not. Points limits attempt to equal all teams strengths , no rider control and some of the current problems will be magnified. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
THE DEAN MACHINE 4,740 Posted September 26, 2017 Definitely not. Points limits attempt to equal all teams strengths , no rider control and some of the current problems will be magnified.in years gone by it wouldnt of worked but today you cant just buy the best team cause of the riders who want to ride here there isnt that many top riders about , take Poole as example ,they sign Hancock as their GP rider, they have to sign a Brit and dont get first pick of Harris nicholls,cook so will prob go for richie worral , so who do they get for other 3 that are not in GP ? Andersen ? Gomolski j holder , who else is there ? And thats not much difference to the team they have now ,why wont it work , Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grand Central 2,654 Posted September 26, 2017 (edited) Averages - without bonus points - and points limits being used to control team strengths are the best way to equalise teams. There is no sane argument against them. That is desipte some really rather sane people here believing the exact opposite. They are wrong. Setting the limit at the right level, is the critical thing, and they haven't always got that right. But stiil they, aloingside the match point system, are some of the BEST things the promoters have come up with over the years. I just dispair that so many people seem to STILL have a problem with understanding this. And, it would seem, some STILL dont know how they are calculated. Edited September 26, 2017 by Grand Central 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iainb 5,006 Posted September 26, 2017 seems simple to me... you set the points limit at 45, maybe 46, that's what it takes to draw/win a match. Why over-complicate it? unless you are deliberately trying to weaken the league and drive riders away Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alan_Jones 1,005 Posted September 26, 2017 Because rider averages are calculated over 4 rides which effectively reduces a 15 heat match to the equivalent of 14 heats and thus 42 points/team for a draw. Hard to believe this needs explaining again... ... and again ... seems simple to me... you set the points limit at 45, maybe 46, that's what it takes to draw/win a match. Why over-complicate it? unless you are deliberately trying to weaken the league and drive riders away 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grand Central 2,654 Posted September 26, 2017 It is not 'simple' if maths is not your strongpoint. Clearly. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blazeaway 1,501 Posted September 26, 2017 seems simple to me... you set the points limit at 45, maybe 46, that's what it takes to draw/win a match. Why over-complicate it? unless you are deliberately trying to weaken the league and drive riders away Aaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Daniel Smith 5,660 Posted September 26, 2017 Keep the averages to 42 but use the riders AWAY figures rather than the combined. IMO the away averages show a better form guide rather than having teams full of 1 track ponies 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
THE DEAN MACHINE 4,740 Posted September 26, 2017 (edited) Averages have had their day , speedway needs to change , it doesnt work anymore and juggling numbers isnt going to achieve anything Edited September 26, 2017 by THE DEAN MACHINE Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Daniel Smith 5,660 Posted September 26, 2017 Averages have had their day , speedway needs to change , it doesnt work anymore and juggling numbers isnt going to achieve anything Can't see how it would work as it would encourage riders to drive up wages as their demand would be greater Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
