foreverblue 6,091 Posted September 15, 2017 they were also using R/R and it all got a bit messy- the illegal guest took an illegal R/R or something like that- Matt Ford came up with a marvellous excuse for the cock-up saying he hadn`t attended the conference so wasn`t aware the rule had changed. !!!!!! I wonder what Rosco`s excuse will be I remember this meeting very well, Ty had a excellent night I believe and racked up a pile of points only for them all to be taken away because apparently Matt Ford who is supposed to know all the rules back to front didn't realise you weren't allowed 5 per cent extra at an away track. The crowd certainly knew there was a lot of chat in the pits and the end result was a resounding win for the pirates. The deduction didn't change the result as we won by so many but some argued quite rightly that if you take away from one side you should give the points to the other team but the rules do not allow that, they only allow for the deduction. football now has goal line technology, if the ref makes a mistake, then the 4th official notifies him of the TV evidence and the correct decision is made. Speedway is so far behind we shouldn't compare the 2 sports. If the ref made a mistake then his decision from that heat should stand until the BSPA say otherwise. Yes shame it wasn't used when Lampard scored against Germany! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
racers and royals 8,723 Posted September 15, 2017 I remember this meeting very well, Ty had a excellent night I believe and racked up a pile of points only for them all to be taken away because apparently Matt Ford who is supposed to know all the rules back to front didn't realise you weren't allowed 5 per cent extra at an away track. The crowd certainly knew there was a lot of chat in the pits and the end result was a resounding win for the pirates. The deduction didn't change the result as we won by so many but some argued quite rightly that if you take away from one side you should give the points to the other team but the rules do not allow that, they only allow for the deduction. I was there that night as well- as a neutral(well hoping Peterborough would win ) 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waiheke1 4,295 Posted September 15, 2017 I don't doubt what you say and I fully acknowledge your superior knowledge of speedway, however, surely grachan has a point? If a ref makes a mistake, it is just that. I know results have been adjusted for varying reasons in speedway but it doesn't happen in other sports. Maradonna's hand of God, Pedro Mendes effort v Man U. People edging the ball in cricket and not being given. These are examples where the results are materially affected by officials making mistakes but results are allowed to stand, however, speedway seems to correct those mistakes. Is this how it's always been? Given how other sports accept the position should Speedway follow suit? Surely here though it is swindon who made the initial error in making an illegal substitution. I recall a rugby league game where the result was reversed as one team had 14 players on the field for 30 seconds. 2 points should be deducted and it's a farcical rule that the extra point aces could have scored is not added Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
foreverblue 6,091 Posted September 15, 2017 I was there that night as well- as a neutral(well hoping Peterborough would win ) Those were the days! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
racers and royals 8,723 Posted September 15, 2017 Scorechart is up on BSPA website http://www.speedwaygb.co/17results/swindon_14.09.17_res.pdf and it`s plain as one can see that he`s missing a minimum ride !!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SCB 0 Posted September 15, 2017 Surely here though it is swindon who made the initial error in making an illegal substitution. I recall a rugby league game where the result was reversed as one team had 14 players on the field for 30 seconds. 2 points should be deducted and it's a farcical rule that the extra point aces could have scored is not added TBF, in this case if you take BWD 2 points away and leave it at that, or you take BWDs 2 away and move the other 2 riders up it means a 9 point win. It doesn't actually matter here. But I agree generally. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lucifer sam 3,953 Posted September 15, 2017 (edited) Scorechart is up on BSPA website http://www.speedwaygb.co/17results/swindon_14.09.17_res.pdf and it`s plain as one can see that he`s missing a minimum ride !!!! Not only that, but right hand bottom corner confirms that Jack Smith was medically signed out of meeting. Nothing about Musielak... Quite clearly the rules have been broken here, and the referee allowed it to happen. All the best Rob Edited September 15, 2017 by lucifer sam Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ouch 1,191 Posted September 15, 2017 This will be like the Poole tie when they broke the rules to beat us. Any announcement will wait until after the second leg and should Swindon win the tie handsomely then the points will be deducted with a fanfare of how things have to be done properly. If The Aces keep it too close for comfort then as with the play off final back then it will be ignored. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
racers and royals 8,723 Posted September 15, 2017 Not only that, but right hand bottom corner confirms that Jack Smith was medically signed out of meeting. Nothing about Musielak... Quite clearly the rules have been broken here, and the referee allowed it to happen. All the best Rob The 2N against Musielak in heat 12 would confirm the 2 min exclusion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dump that clutch 630 Posted September 15, 2017 i can't believe that a basic 3 ride rule has been missed... by the Ref and Mark Lemon... crazy. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
racers and royals 8,723 Posted September 15, 2017 i can't believe that a basic 3 ride rule has been missed... by the Ref and Mark Lemon... crazy. Rosco hardly comes out of it smelling of roses either !!!!! 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fromafar 10,359 Posted September 15, 2017 Who cares nowadays it's just a Circus ,people are just attending to watch some bike racing,to say it is aTeam sport is a myth . 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BurntFaceMan 413 Posted September 15, 2017 Rosco hardly comes out of it smelling of roses either !!!!! Rosco is playing the game just like Matt Ford does. Sets us up nicely for some more epic rivalries between Poole and Swindon. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SCB 0 Posted September 15, 2017 i can't believe that a basic 3 ride rule has been missed... by the Ref and Mark Lemon... crazy. Rosco hardly comes out of it smelling of roses either !!!!! You could argue it's not Rosco job to stop himself cheating Its for the referee and opposing team manager to stop! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
racers and royals 8,723 Posted September 15, 2017 (edited) The stupid thing in all of this, in my opinion is that a rider who is thrown out of a race for 2 starting offences CAN ACTUALLY BE REPLACED. If the rider had just been excluded and not replaced that would count as a ride. For messing about at the start why should they be replaced ?? it`s not as if we are going to have loads of 3 rider races because of it !!!! Edited September 15, 2017 by racers and royals 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
