foamfence 2,917 Posted February 1, 2018 1 hour ago, Sings4Speedway said: Anyone know the situation with Perks? Is he sold up and back in Aus? He has family in England, so I think he still has some gear over here. He has been posting photo's of his practising in Australia and has certainly been hoping for a team slot. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr Blobby 2,650 Posted February 1, 2018 The BSPA statement is laughable, rejected it on the criteria set by the UKVI yet we had the backing of the UKVI for Luke to get a visa. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gazc 7,089 Posted February 1, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Mr Blobby said: The BSPA statement is laughable, rejected it on the criteria set by the UKVI yet we had the backing of the UKVI for Luke to get a visa. It may well be that the UKVI have moved the goal posts , the BSPA have followed the procedure set out by the UKVI originally going by the statement. It is not beyond the realms of possibility that a Government agency have issued the wrong guidance in this case it happens on a daily basis with Government agencies across the board. So instead of blaming the BSPA continually as it appears they have followed the guidelines set out , it may well be the UKVI that aren't following there own guidelines not the first time it will have happened. Edited February 1, 2018 by Gazc Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr Blobby 2,650 Posted February 1, 2018 2 minutes ago, Gazc said: It may well be that the UKVI have moved the goal posts , the BSPA have followed the prcedure set out by the UKVI originally going by the statement. It is not beyond the realms of possibility that a Government agency have issued the wrong guidance in this case it happens on a daily basis with Government agencies across the board. So instead of blaming the BSPA continually as it appears they have followed the guidelines set out , it may well be the UKVI that aren't following there own guidelines not the first time it will have happened. The UKVI said they would give Luke a visa on the blessing of BSPA, the committee refused to give permission and have still yet to give the club an actual reason for doing so. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lucifer sam 3,953 Posted February 1, 2018 1 minute ago, Mr Blobby said: The UKVI said they would give Luke a visa on the blessing of BSPA, the committee refused to give permission and have still yet to give the club an actual reason for doing so. Can't you read the BSPA website, Blobby? Secondly, the application by Edinburgh to use American rider Luke Becker has been rejected. This is based on criteria set down by UKVI and not the British Speedway Promoters’ Association and, as such, the management committee had little choice but to follow the correct procedure. This also applies to Australian Ryan Douglas who is keen to race in the UK and clubs have registered their interest in signing him – but, like Becker, he doesn’t qualify for a visa. These procedures were clarified and implemented forcibly in recent years when British Speedway ran a serious risk of losing the use of all visa riders. I think that's pretty clear. There's a procedure to be followed. Abuse it, and all visa riders could be in trouble. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wolfsbane 12,944 Posted February 1, 2018 I really don't want to drag politics into this but in reality Becker & Douglas have one big problem. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr Blobby 2,650 Posted February 1, 2018 2 minutes ago, lucifer sam said: Can't you read the BSPA website, Blobby? Secondly, the application by Edinburgh to use American rider Luke Becker has been rejected. This is based on criteria set down by UKVI and not the British Speedway Promoters’ Association and, as such, the management committee had little choice but to follow the correct procedure. This also applies to Australian Ryan Douglas who is keen to race in the UK and clubs have registered their interest in signing him – but, like Becker, he doesn’t qualify for a visa. These procedures were clarified and implemented forcibly in recent years when British Speedway ran a serious risk of losing the use of all visa riders. I think that's pretty clear. There's a procedure to be followed. Abuse it, and all visa riders could be in trouble. Standard statement from the BSPA. The BSPA are entirely to blame. We as the rules state were entitled to an appeal. The club had assurance from the UKVI that he would get a visa if the BSPA committee said yes, yet they denied the appeal and are yet to still give the club an actual reason behind their decision. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gazc 7,089 Posted February 1, 2018 15 minutes ago, Mr Blobby said: The UKVI said they would give Luke a visa on the blessing of BSPA, the committee refused to give permission and have still yet to give the club an actual reason for doing so. The point being the BSPA are following prcedures imposed by the UKVI wether they give blessing as you say is irrelevant as they clearly state they are following as per the guidelines issued. So they have given there reason they are following the guideline originally set out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gmuncie 201 Posted February 1, 2018 1 minute ago, Gazc said: The point being the BSPA are following prcedures imposed by the UKVI wether they give blessing as you say is irrelevant as they clearly state they are following as per the guidelines issued. So they have given there reason they are following the guideline originally set out. Why then did the UKVI say he met their criteria, the same criteria the management committee say they have rejected the appeal based on? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gazc 7,089 Posted February 1, 2018 3 minutes ago, gmuncie said: Why then did the UKVI say he met their criteria, the same criteria the management committee say they have rejected the appeal based on? That would go against there own guidelines set out to the BSPA 2 seasons ago then. As i say its not beyond the realms of possibility they have gone against there own guidlines, it is a Government department and they never get it wrong do they. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lucifer sam 3,953 Posted February 1, 2018 9 minutes ago, Mr Blobby said: Standard statement from the BSPA. The BSPA are entirely to blame. We as the rules state were entitled to an appeal. The club had assurance from the UKVI that he would get a visa if the BSPA committee said yes, yet they denied the appeal and are yet to still give the club an actual reason behind their decision. UKVI's own rules are crystal clear. Becker had to finish in the top four of the US Nationals. He finished fifth. Tough luck on the lad, but he's not eligible for a visa. What do you want to do? Bring him over, then like Ty Proctor, suddenly find out he's got to leave the country in the next 24 hours, when UKVI remember their own rules? Just sign an eligible rider. They are plenty about. Max Clegg for starters. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr Blobby 2,650 Posted February 1, 2018 1 minute ago, lucifer sam said: UKVI's own rules are crystal clear. Becker had to finish in the top four of the US Nationals. He finished fifth. Tough luck on the lad, but he's not eligible for a visa. What do you want to do? Bring him over, then like Ty Proctor, suddenly find out he's got to leave the country in the next 24 hours, when UKVI remember their own rules? Just sign an eligible rider. They are plenty about. Max Clegg for starters. Yet the UKVI said he was eligible! Or are you ignoring that fact? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lucifer sam 3,953 Posted February 1, 2018 Just now, Mr Blobby said: Yet the UKVI said he was eligible! Or are you ignoring that fact? He's not eligible. That's obvious. Appendix 1 – Eligibility for endorsement FIM Speedway Grand Prix – All series competitors excluding reserves and wildcards Argentinian International Championships – Winner Australian Individual Championships – Top 4 New South Wales Championships – Top 4 Queensland Championships – Top 4 South Australia Championships – Top 4 Victoria State Championships – Top 4 Western Australia Championships – Top 4 Canadian Individual Championships – Winner New Zealand Individual Championships – Winner Russian Individual Championships – Top 4 South African National Championships – Winner Ukrainian Individual Championships – Winner United States Individual AMA Championships – Top 4 Read the bottom one, Blobby. Fifth is not in the top 4. Not when I went to school! 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BWitcher 12,453 Posted February 1, 2018 (edited) Conveniently missing out the salient part there Lucifer whereby it states: "The BSPA will consider applications for discretionary endorsements for riders who do not meet the above requirements on an individual discretionary basis. Decisions will be made by the BSPA Management Committee who will consider written applications from the club and/or rider concerned. The Management Committee will give written reasons for their decision. Factors to be taken into consideration will be: Whether the riders record in speedway has been at the highest level and they will contribute significantly to the development of the sport. Whether exceptional factors prevented the rider from meeting the aforementioned endorsement requirements" Luke Becker missed the 2nd round of a 4 round series in the US Championships due to injury. He would only have needed 5pts to have finished in the top 4 and meet the requirements so clearly was an exceptional factor. The UKVI have already stated he meets the criteria for a discretionary endorsement so the BSPA statement on the issue is quite simply an out and out lie. Edited February 1, 2018 by BWitcher 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Paulco 7,072 Posted February 1, 2018 11 minutes ago, lucifer sam said: He's not eligible. That's obvious. Appendix 1 – Eligibility for endorsement FIM Speedway Grand Prix – All series competitors excluding reserves and wildcards Argentinian International Championships – Winner Australian Individual Championships – Top 4 New South Wales Championships – Top 4 Queensland Championships – Top 4 South Australia Championships – Top 4 Victoria State Championships – Top 4 Western Australia Championships – Top 4 Canadian Individual Championships – Winner New Zealand Individual Championships – Winner Russian Individual Championships – Top 4 South African National Championships – Winner Ukrainian Individual Championships – Winner United States Individual AMA Championships – Top 4 Read the bottom one, Blobby. Fifth is not in the top 4. Not when I went to school! Seems pretty clear then , so I don't see how Blobby and co are claiming they are being hard done to Share this post Link to post Share on other sites