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1 hour ago, Sings4Speedway said:

Anyone know the situation with Perks? Is he sold up and back in Aus?

He has family in England, so I think he still has some gear over here. He has been posting photo's of his practising in Australia and has certainly been hoping for a team slot.

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The BSPA statement is laughable, rejected it on the criteria set by the UKVI yet we had the backing of the UKVI for Luke to get a visa.

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1 hour ago, Mr Blobby said:

The BSPA statement is laughable, rejected it on the criteria set by the UKVI yet we had the backing of the UKVI for Luke to get a visa.

It may well be that the UKVI have moved the goal posts , the BSPA have followed the procedure set out by the UKVI originally going by the statement.

It is not beyond the realms of possibility that a Government agency have issued the wrong guidance in this case it happens on a daily basis with Government agencies across the board.

So instead of blaming the BSPA continually as it appears they have followed the guidelines set out , it may well be the UKVI that aren't following there own guidelines not the first time it will have happened.

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2 minutes ago, Gazc said:

It may well be that the UKVI have moved the goal posts , the BSPA have followed the prcedure set out by the UKVI originally  going by the statement.

It is not beyond the realms of possibility that a Government agency have issued the wrong guidance in this case it happens on a daily basis with Government agencies across the board.

So instead of blaming the BSPA continually as it appears they have followed the guidelines set out , it may well be the UKVI that aren't following there own guidelines not the first time it will have happened.

The UKVI said they would give Luke a visa on the blessing of BSPA, the committee refused to give permission and have still yet to give the club an actual reason for doing so.

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1 minute ago, Mr Blobby said:

The UKVI said they would give Luke a visa on the blessing of BSPA, the committee refused to give permission and have still yet to give the club an actual reason for doing so.

Can't you read the BSPA website, Blobby?

Secondly, the application by Edinburgh to use American rider Luke Becker has been rejected.

This is based on criteria set down by UKVI and not the British Speedway Promoters’ Association and, as such, the management committee had little choice but to follow the correct procedure.

This also applies to Australian Ryan Douglas who is keen to race in the UK and clubs have registered their interest in signing him – but, like Becker, he doesn’t qualify for a visa.

These procedures were clarified and implemented forcibly in recent years when British Speedway ran a serious risk of losing the use of all visa riders.

I think that's pretty clear.  There's a procedure to be followed.  Abuse it, and all visa riders could be in trouble.

 

 

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I really don't want to drag politics into this but in reality Becker & Douglas have one big problem.

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2 minutes ago, lucifer sam said:

Can't you read the BSPA website, Blobby?

Secondly, the application by Edinburgh to use American rider Luke Becker has been rejected.

This is based on criteria set down by UKVI and not the British Speedway Promoters’ Association and, as such, the management committee had little choice but to follow the correct procedure.

This also applies to Australian Ryan Douglas who is keen to race in the UK and clubs have registered their interest in signing him – but, like Becker, he doesn’t qualify for a visa.

These procedures were clarified and implemented forcibly in recent years when British Speedway ran a serious risk of losing the use of all visa riders.

I think that's pretty clear.  There's a procedure to be followed.  Abuse it, and all visa riders could be in trouble.

 

 

Standard statement from the BSPA. The BSPA are entirely to blame. We as the rules state were entitled to an appeal. The club had assurance from the UKVI that he would get a visa if the BSPA committee said yes, yet they denied the appeal and are yet to still give the club an actual reason behind their decision. 

 

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15 minutes ago, Mr Blobby said:

The UKVI said they would give Luke a visa on the blessing of BSPA, the committee refused to give permission and have still yet to give the club an actual reason for doing so.

The point being the BSPA are following prcedures imposed by the UKVI wether they give blessing as you say is irrelevant as they clearly state they are following as per the guidelines issued.

So they have given there reason they are following the guideline originally set out.

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1 minute ago, Gazc said:

The point being the BSPA are following prcedures imposed by the UKVI wether they give blessing as you say is irrelevant as they clearly state they are following as per the guidelines issued.

So they have given there reason they are following the guideline originally set out.

Why then did the UKVI say he met their criteria, the same criteria the management committee say they have rejected the appeal based on? 

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3 minutes ago, gmuncie said:

Why then did the UKVI say he met their criteria, the same criteria the management committee say they have rejected the appeal based on? 

That would go against there own guidelines set out to the BSPA 2 seasons ago then.

As i say its not beyond the realms of possibility they have gone against there own guidlines, it is a Government department and they never get it wrong do they.

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9 minutes ago, Mr Blobby said:

Standard statement from the BSPA. The BSPA are entirely to blame. We as the rules state were entitled to an appeal. The club had assurance from the UKVI that he would get a visa if the BSPA committee said yes, yet they denied the appeal and are yet to still give the club an actual reason behind their decision. 

 

UKVI's own rules are crystal clear.  Becker had to finish in the top four of the US Nationals.  He finished fifth.

Tough luck on the lad, but he's not eligible for a visa.

What do you want to do?  Bring him over, then like Ty Proctor, suddenly find out he's got to leave the country in the next 24 hours, when UKVI remember their own rules?

Just sign an eligible rider.  They are plenty about.  Max Clegg for starters.

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1 minute ago, lucifer sam said:

UKVI's own rules are crystal clear.  Becker had to finish in the top four of the US Nationals.  He finished fifth.

Tough luck on the lad, but he's not eligible for a visa.

What do you want to do?  Bring him over, then like Ty Proctor, suddenly find out he's got to leave the country in the next 24 hours, when UKVI remember their own rules?

Just sign an eligible rider.  They are plenty about.  Max Clegg for starters.

Yet the UKVI said he was eligible! Or are you ignoring that fact? 

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Just now, Mr Blobby said:

Yet the UKVI said he was eligible! Or are you ignoring that fact? 

He's not eligible.  That's obvious.

Appendix 1 – Eligibility for endorsement

FIM Speedway Grand Prix – All series competitors excluding reserves and wildcards

Argentinian International Championships – Winner

Australian Individual Championships – Top 4

New South Wales Championships – Top 4

Queensland Championships – Top 4

South Australia Championships – Top 4

Victoria State Championships – Top 4

Western Australia Championships – Top 4

Canadian Individual Championships – Winner

New Zealand Individual Championships – Winner

Russian Individual Championships – Top 4

South African National Championships – Winner

Ukrainian Individual Championships – Winner

United States Individual AMA Championships – Top 4

Read the bottom one, Blobby.  Fifth is not in the top 4.  Not when I went to school!

 

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Conveniently missing out the salient part there Lucifer whereby it states:

 

"The BSPA will consider applications for discretionary endorsements for riders who do not meet the above requirements on an individual discretionary basis. Decisions will be made by the BSPA Management Committee who will consider written applications from the club and/or rider concerned. The Management Committee will give written reasons for their decision. Factors to be taken into consideration will be:

  • Whether the riders record in speedway has been at the highest level and they will contribute significantly to the development of the sport.
  • Whether exceptional factors prevented the rider from meeting the aforementioned endorsement requirements"

Luke Becker missed the 2nd round of a 4 round series in the US Championships due to injury. He would only have needed 5pts to have finished in the top 4 and meet the requirements so clearly was an exceptional factor.

The UKVI have already stated he meets the criteria for a discretionary endorsement so the BSPA statement on the issue is quite simply an out and out lie.

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11 minutes ago, lucifer sam said:

He's not eligible.  That's obvious.

Appendix 1 – Eligibility for endorsement

FIM Speedway Grand Prix – All series competitors excluding reserves and wildcards

Argentinian International Championships – Winner

Australian Individual Championships – Top 4

New South Wales Championships – Top 4

Queensland Championships – Top 4

South Australia Championships – Top 4

Victoria State Championships – Top 4

Western Australia Championships – Top 4

Canadian Individual Championships – Winner

New Zealand Individual Championships – Winner

Russian Individual Championships – Top 4

South African National Championships – Winner

Ukrainian Individual Championships – Winner

United States Individual AMA Championships – Top 4

Read the bottom one, Blobby.  Fifth is not in the top 4.  Not when I went to school!

 

Seems pretty clear then , so I don't see how Blobby and co are claiming they are being hard done to 

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