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10 minutes ago, IronScorpion said:

Does this part mean that Scunthorpe or any other club, could have tried to sign R Douglas for 2018?

Ryan did not achieve one of the main parts to apply for a visa(a 7point average) so end of!

 

There is a lager advert about, Carlsberg with the wording "Probably the best lager in the world"

Quite simply yes, anyone could put an application in but of course it would need to have a strong case backing it.

Again, that isn't the discussion.

 

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26 minutes ago, Gazc said:

And he didn't meet the criteria , i don't see many if any Scunthoroe fans shouting about agendas conspiracies  etc.

 

Correct, neither did Becker. That's why a discretionary endorsement is applied for.

So what was the argument behind Douglas applying for a discretionary endorsement?

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5 minutes ago, BWitcher said:

Correct, neither did Becker. That's why a discretionary endorsement is applied for.

So what was the argument behind Douglas applying for a discretionary endorsement?

Nobody has to tell us anything on here it really is as simple as that.

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When it comes to visas it's funny how the minority sports like speedway always have trouble when it comes to non EU residents. You never hear of an overseas footballer in the Premier league having a visa application turned down

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3 hours ago, BWitcher said:

Yes, we all know the application process is a minefield and lessons were learned no doubt over the Ty Proctor situation. As such the BSPA should be quite clear, this is the criteria, if you don't fit THAT IS IT. End of story. Leaving the door open as they are doing is simply continuing their traditional approach of.. depends who is asking/paying/loaning us a rider.

the lack of clarification is probably due to a "party" with influence in the process fancies his chances of signing Becker. You can guess the usual suspects....

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48 minutes ago, Gazc said:

Nobody has to tell us anything on here it really is as simple as that.

Nobody has to tell us anything on here but the rule book does state that the parties to the appeal will be given the outcome in writing with reasons for the decision on this instance that has not happened so the BSPA are in breach of their own rule book 

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36 minutes ago, hulvik said:

When it comes to visas it's funny how the minority sports like speedway always have trouble when it comes to non EU residents. You never hear of an overseas footballer in the Premier league having a visa application turned down

Or signing youg players from abroad.

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43 minutes ago, hulvik said:

When it comes to visas it's funny how the minority sports like speedway always have trouble when it comes to non EU residents. You never hear of an overseas footballer in the Premier league having a visa application turned down

 

6 minutes ago, tyretrax said:

Or signing youg players from abroad.

Probably because they are way over £55,000 annual wage threshold 

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33 minutes ago, gmuncie said:

Nobody has to tell us anything on here but the rule book does state that the parties to the appeal will be given the outcome in writing with reasons for the decision on this instance that has not happened so the BSPA are in breach of their own rule book 

What does not meet crieria mean reason enough , bottom line everyone can blow out there arse as much or as little as they want it won't change a thing.

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57 minutes ago, Dekker said:

the lack of clarification is probably due to a "party" with influence in the process fancies his chances of signing Becker. You can guess the usual suspects....

Delusional.

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4 hours ago, BWitcher said:

 

Is this really such a difficult concept to understand?

It clearly states that should it be rejected the reasoning would be given. Saying it didn't meet the initial criteria is not a reason, that's the whole purpose of making the application. 

Nobody, not even Edinburgh or Luke Becker is complaining it has been rejected. They are complaining because no reason has been given. Transparency, that is what people want and once again it is lacking.

The reason is clear. It is an easy concept to understand.

Criteria for a visa for a USA is finishing in top 4 of the national championship.

The reason is, he didn't.

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8 minutes ago, Grachan said:

The reason is clear. It is an easy concept to understand.

Criteria for a visa for a USA is finishing in top 4 of the national championship.

The reason is, he didn't.

Come on Grachan, you aren't that dumb are you?

That is the criteria for an automatic visa. Becker wasn't applying for an automatic visa. Becker was applying for a discretionary endorsement. An entirely different thing where you are NOT required to meet the initial criteria (you wouldn't be applying for it if you did). Saying you aren't eligible for a DISCRETIONARY ENDORSEMENT because you don't meet the criteria for an automatic visa is about as stupid as you can get. 

As I've already stated, all the BSPA had to say was they didn't feel Becker was of a sufficient standard or some other excuse to cover themselves. Instead, they act like idiots and alienate another bunch of fans. All could very easily have been avoided.

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Apparently now Rob Godfrey has confirmed that Luke Becker would have been entitled to a discretionary endorsement just as myself and others have described above.  However the MC have decided that they will not be awarding any discretionary endorsements to anyone whether justified or not.  As far as Ryan Douglas is concerned I don't think he missed the qualification meetings because of injury so it doesn't apply to him.

It's harsh but not a terrible position to have and obviously many on here agree that is what the rule should be and removes any ambiguity.  But when was this decision made and why was it not communicated to all teams and other impacted. Why did they just not table an amendment at the AGM and change the rule so there was no discretion clearly stated in the rules and everyone was fully informed and aware.  The rule (even though many on here are ignoring the fact it exists) has been in place for several years so could easily have been changed and debated by all promoters not just the MC if required.

Steve Evans has apparently been working on this appeal since September, Edinburgh appealed for the endorsement 3 times and all 3 times were only told he did not meet the rules and not told anything about no discretionary endorsements being given. So on the 4th occasion when asked informally they have been told that the rules have effectively been changed.

When did the rule change? Now if I was being a cynic I could say when they received the request from Edinburgh......

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1 hour ago, hulvik said:

When it comes to visas it's funny how the minority sports like speedway always have trouble when it comes to non EU residents. You never hear of an overseas footballer in the Premier league having a visa application turned down

Yes you do.

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6 minutes ago, BWitcher said:

Come on Grachan, you aren't that dumb are you?

That is the criteria for an automatic visa. Becker wasn't applying for an automatic visa. Becker was applying for a discretionary endorsement. An entirely different thing where you are NOT required to meet the initial criteria (you wouldn't be applying for it if you did). Saying you aren't eligible for a DISCRETIONARY ENDORSEMENT because you don't meet the criteria for an automatic visa is about as stupid as you can get. 

As I've already stated, all the BSPA had to say was they didn't feel Becker was of a sufficient standard or some other excuse to cover themselves. Instead, they act like idiots and alienate another bunch of fans. All could very easily have been avoided.

No. I'm not dumb. I know what discretionary means.

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