ond 18 Posted October 8, 2017 (edited) so from now on..anyone who runs out of machinery due to no time to replace should just turn up to the next meeting and sit in the pits to miss the two minutes !!?? At least Jake gave notice so a replacement could be found... Banning and fining riders that dont earn enough to cover costs isnt the answer.. By the way , Wimbledon had a track spare for anyone to ride. An option for the future to make the clubs of today do the same!!! Edited October 8, 2017 by ond 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The White Knight 9,039 Posted October 8, 2017 so from now on..anyone who runs out of machinery due to no time to replace should just turn up to the next meeting and sit in the pits to miss the two minutes !!?? At least Jake gave notice so a replacement could be found... Banning and fining riders that dont earn enough to cover costs isnt the answer.. By the way , Wimbledon had a track spare for anyone to ride. An option for the future to make the clubs of today do the same!!! More Tracks than Wimbledon had a 'Track Spare' ond - Norwich had a very famous one which the great Ove Fundin used to ride. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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False dawn 2,298 Posted October 8, 2017 "BeeSpeed" at Brandon The SpeedyBee if my memory isn't completely fading. The idea of a track spare has disappeared. Perhaps at the National League level, the concept could be reintroduced. The fact that riders at the introductory level of the sport are expected to have two bikes, not just runners but highly competitive machines is bonkers. We want these lads (and girls, please) to learn their trade and be the champions of the future surely? Of course they want to win and their clubs want to be league champions. But let's get the priorities right. Track time, race craft, mechanical skill, team riding (what's that?) and dealing with the press and fans. Surely these are the attributes we should be seeking to develop? Oh well. Maybe I'm just an old fogey? 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Sidney 290 Posted October 8, 2017 (edited) More Tracks than Wimbledon had a 'Track Spare' ond - Norwich had a very famous one which the great Ove Fundin used to ride. I would think Ond is referring to when Wimbledon were in the Conference / National league,so comparable to Eastbourne now. I find it incredible that this rule has been enforced against Jake Knight (I can't imagine he was pre warned that he would get a ban) - let's see if We get consistency in the future. Of course, any rider in similar circumstances will now just turn up and go through the motions - 5 exclusion s under the 2 min rule? Edited October 8, 2017 by Sir Sidney Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waiheke1 4,295 Posted October 8, 2017 Surely repeated exclusions under the two minute rule would also be a ban, looking at the Chris holder ban as a precedent? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gemini 4,894 Posted October 8, 2017 ......False dawn.......Oh well. Maybe I'm just an old fogey? The 'like' was for the post not this bit because you're not. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve roberts 9,242 Posted October 9, 2017 The SpeedyBee if my memory isn't completely fading. The idea of a track spare has disappeared. Perhaps at the National League level, the concept could be reintroduced. The fact that riders at the introductory level of the sport are expected to have two bikes, not just runners but highly competitive machines is bonkers. We want these lads (and girls, please) to learn their trade and be the champions of the future surely? Of course they want to win and their clubs want to be league champions. But let's get the priorities right. Track time, race craft, mechanical skill, team riding (what's that?) and dealing with the press and fans. Surely these are the attributes we should be seeking to develop? Oh well. Maybe I'm just an old fogey? ...recall the days that Oxford had a track spare it was abused and the bike stripped for its parts. Therefore the idea didn't last long. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Humphrey Appleby 13,947 Posted October 9, 2017 I think regulations need to reflect economic realities at particular levels. Where riders are riding at a level where they're little more than amateurs, a blown engine should be a reasonable excuse for withdrawing from a meeting, provided the call off is in sufficient time for a promoter to find a replacement. It's annoying for a promoter, but little different from an injury or dodgy sick note in practice. No excuse at a professional level though. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Sidney 290 Posted October 9, 2017 Surely repeated exclusions under the two minute rule would also be a ban, looking at the Chris holder ban as a precedent? Yes, I was just being a bit flippant - however, depending on just how bad a rider's machinery really is, the method of turning up but not being able to compete might vary. At National League level how many bikes and engines can a rider be expected to have, and what is a realistic timescale for him to get competitive equipment in place if he has had genuine issues? As HA said, the regulations need to reflect the realities at the particular level. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Twowheels 51 Posted October 9, 2017 For your info, Jake has 2x complete bikes, would be great to have a spare engines but this is unviable at present. Unfortunately as stated Jake had sized engine in first ride and had metal in oil on spare, all parties were notified the night before in Manchester. Jake was gutted that he was going to miss meeting,with no time to get anything sorted he felt best to let all know of his predicament. Ban has now be fulfilled and he can move on. Richard 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fromafar 10,358 Posted October 9, 2017 For your info, Jake has 2x complete bikes, would be great to have a spare engines but this is unviable at present. Unfortunately as stated Jake had sized engine in first ride and had metal in oil on spare, all parties were notified the night before in Manchester. Jake was gutted that he was going to miss meeting,with no time to get anything sorted he felt best to let all know of his predicament. Ban has now be fulfilled and he can move on. Richard Hard done by IMO ,if it happens again just phone in with a"sickness bug" the next morning.Ask Lambert for Doctors name.! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waiheke1 4,295 Posted October 9, 2017 Yes, I was just being a bit flippant - however, depending on just how bad a rider's machinery really is, the method of turning up but not being able to compete might vary. At National League level how many bikes and engines can a rider be expected to have, and what is a realistic timescale for him to get competitive equipment in place if he has had genuine issues? As HA said, the regulations need to reflect the realities at the particular level. tbf, a rider can miss a normal NL meeting for any reason - schoolwork, fancied a night in with the missus or a few beers at the pub with his mates etc. its just these rules apply to BSPA shared events..which on one hand is understandable, on another not so much Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blackadder 280 Posted October 9, 2017 Still no announcement about a ban for Jack Holder. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alan_Jones 1,005 Posted October 9, 2017 Still no announcement about a ban for Jack Holder. You missed it? From the BSPA statement on August 6th; "If the rider had gone to Poland and raced without the permission of his club he would have been banned for withholding his services for 28 days - this is not the case with Jack Holder as his club have given him their blessing and we have evidence of the true reason." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
