Bradford Ace 183 Posted January 7, 2018 39 minutes ago, acef said: Also you won't see anything official from Belle Vue for a while. I think Adrian is on holiday and mark is in Australia. Nobody really available to update the social channels. Which imo is poor. Even without a tv deal this team would still be economical enough. No excuse that. U can log on to the internet & social media in other countries ya know!!!!! Lemon has tweeted about Aus Championships whilst over there & to be honest, I find it staggering that nobody from the club has commented on the Drozdz signing despite it being all over the internet for over 48 hrs now?? They really do need to sort out how they promote the club in the media as it’s pretty terrible. Poor for us fans to find out Jack Smith not returning from him and his Mum and finding out we have signed Drozdz and Fricke from a Polish club!! Regarding our Number 7, personally I would have gone with Todd Kurtz or Jan Graversen - some good English league experience there. Just noticed another potential target for No 7, Joe Jacobs has announced his retirement due to being unable to find a club in either division. Sad for another young British rider to have to call it quits. We really should be looking after our own more. 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DC2 11,150 Posted January 7, 2018 Total madness that no club in either league could offer a place to Joe Jacobs when every year they complain of a lack of riders, the lack of British riders and the cost of expensive foreigners. We even had the draft system, supposedly designed to bring on young Brits ..... only to be dumped a couple of years later. Joe was fantastic for Belle Vue, would have been a trump card at home and could have improved away with decent coaching. British promoters really are stupid. Unbelievably short-sighted. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DC2 11,150 Posted January 7, 2018 Joe Jacobs and Ellis Perks, both down the pan! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steve Shovlar 10,439 Posted January 7, 2018 Jacobs really was a one trick pony. Perks is a far better rider and should get himself sorted sooner rather than later. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DC2 11,150 Posted January 7, 2018 You are so stupid, Steve. Jacobs was superb for Belle Vue and with some effort on their part could have become a loyal servant for years. Sure, with the short-sighted Poole mentality of win every year at all costs, you wouldn’t be interested in investing in the future of a young British rider. Just look at how Kyle Newman has been treated. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
poolebolton 464 Posted January 7, 2018 21 minutes ago, DC2 said: You are so stupid, Steve. Jacobs was superb for Belle Vue and with some effort on their part could have become a loyal servant for years. Sure, with the short-sighted Poole mentality of win every year at all costs, you wouldn’t be interested in investing in the future of a young British rider. Just look at how Kyle Newman has been treated. I Partly agree with you but also do you blame promoters. How many British riders have gone on to the GPS Tai and Cook and its taken Cook a long time to get there. Poole have a history of success with Aussies riders so why change from something that isn't broken. We have never been a team to have lots of Brits and i don't think we ever will. Success makes you more money than having a cheaper rider in Jacobs. Its a business first and a sport second. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aces High 70 Posted January 7, 2018 11 minutes ago, poolebolton said: Its a business first and a sport second. Very pragmatic of you but it is still sad that doubling up is just justified because of a lack of riders and then lads are having to retire because of that same rule. This shouldn't be happening. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DC2 11,150 Posted January 7, 2018 17 minutes ago, poolebolton said: I Partly agree with you but also do you blame promoters. How many British riders have gone on to the GPS Tai and Cook and its taken Cook a long time to get there. Poole have a history of success with Aussies riders so why change from something that isn't broken. We have never been a team to have lots of Brits and i don't think we ever will. Success makes you more money than having a cheaper rider in Jacobs. Its a business first and a sport second. Cook has got to the GPs very quickly. He was a new NL novice only about seven years ago. He’s late to the sport and older but he’s the equivalent of a 23 year old who started at 16! He’s got there faster that Brady Kurtz or Jack Holder will. Poole have cornered the win at all costs “brand”, based on mercenary opportunism every year, but it works only because no other club does that well or adopts real branding which is a longer term strategy of creating a club culture that fans and potential customers in the local community can identify with. 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steve Shovlar 10,439 Posted January 7, 2018 1 hour ago, DC2 said: You are so stupid, Steve. Jacobs was superb for Belle Vue and with some effort on their part could have become a loyal servant for years. Sure, with the short-sighted Poole mentality of win every year at all costs, you wouldn’t be interested in investing in the future of a young British rider. Just look at how Kyle Newman has been treated. I bet you would have been well happy if he had been named as Swindons number 7! He was a one trick pony and dreadful away from BV. Just not good enough in the top flight. N L rider. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Simonh 18 Posted January 7, 2018 45 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said: I bet you would have been well happy if he had been named as Swindons number 7! He was a one trick pony and dreadful away from BV. Just not good enough in the top flight. N L rider. He could also ride Swindon really well when I was there...so probably a two trick pony...... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pinny 2,536 Posted January 7, 2018 2 hours ago, DC2 said: You are so stupid, Steve. Jacobs was superb for Belle Vue and with some effort on their part could have become a loyal servant for years. Sure, with the short-sighted Poole mentality of win every year at all costs, you wouldn’t be interested in investing in the future of a young British rider. Just look at how Kyle Newman has been treated. He had beeen at Poole for about five years, picked up good sponsorship and had barely improved whilst underperforming last year. He had been given plenty of time by Poole, imo. the touted BV team really looks as if its been built to win all home meetings and pick up the odd point away so cannot understand why they havent gone with jacobs who, whilst being poor away, banged in huge scores at home. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevebrum 6,819 Posted January 7, 2018 On 6/1/2018 at 4:41 PM, Steve Shovlar said: Drodz is new so 5.0 seems right. Don’t think he’s a 6. Poole’s 2 poles both have official averages. If Poole wanted Drodz do you think we would be able to get him on a 4? Of course not. Plenty of riders have an OLD 2016 but they aren't official any more. So only selected riders have OLD averages. Which of course stinks. 5 hours ago, Steve Shovlar said: Jacobs really was a one trick pony. Perks is a far better rider and should get himself sorted sooner rather than later. Perks was useless for Wolves with a 1.45 season average. Totally dreadful. He certainly improved overall but he had achieved virtually nowt outside the NL until 2017. Maybe he may achieve more than Jacobs but not yet. Shame his parent club haven't included him in their plans, but then Poole don't have a great history of looking after their assets. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ray c 2,299 Posted January 8, 2018 don't think anybody talking about Joe Jacobs ability on a speedway bike but another British rider lost to speedway except ss and pb shame on you 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steve Shovlar 10,439 Posted January 8, 2018 No shame on me. Jacobs wasn't good enough to cut it in the top flight. Same as Smith last season. NL is their level. Tough on him if he hasn't found a berth in the NL but riders should be active in chasing spots. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ray c 2,299 Posted January 8, 2018 8 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said: No shame on me. Jacobs wasn't good enough to cut it in the top flight. Same as Smith last season. NL is their level. Tough on him if he hasn't found a berth in the NL but riders should be active in chasing spots. I don't think you understood what was being said nothing to do with his ability on a bike just another gb rider lost to British speedway shame on the promoters to let this happen !! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites