All4back 40 Posted April 22, 2018 3 hours ago, NeilWatson said: As I understand it the best runner up is decided on a % basis of available match points in their group. If that results in a tie I assume average race points per completed meeting comes into play. Failing that Duckworth/Lewis have a fantastic formula for finding a winner............. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv 10,706 Posted April 22, 2018 2 hours ago, bigcatdiary said: It’s complicated to explain but we should be in with a great chance of best runner up providing we win on Tuesday 2 hours ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: It means Boro are in a strong position so long as they beat the Witches 9 points 4 meetings ave 2.25 From the 4 team groups this would require 3 home wins 1 away win and 2 losing points to have a higher ave Given that kind of record would normally top a group its unlikely a second placed team will be as a good as that At least it means the Witches still have something to ride for on Tuesday Not that difficult Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigcatdiary 3,165 Posted April 22, 2018 (edited) 29 minutes ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: Not that difficult Of course that’s assuming that your explanation is correct and we are running on that formula, I have seen nothing in writing to say that’s the case bearing in mind this is a completely new competition. Edited April 22, 2018 by bigcatdiary Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv 10,706 Posted April 22, 2018 6 hours ago, NeilWatson said: As I understand it the best runner up is decided on a % basis of available match points in their group. If that results in a tie I assume average race points per completed meeting comes into play. 1 hour ago, bigcatdiary said: Of course that’s assuming that your explanation is correct and we are running on that formula, I have seen nothing in writing to say that’s the case bearing in mind this is a completely new competition. Your own promotion seems to think so.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeilWatson 1,988 Posted April 22, 2018 (edited) 13 hours ago, NeilWatson said: As I understand it the best runner up is decided on a % basis of available match points in their group. If that results in a tie I assume average race points per completed meeting comes into play. Thinking on....race points won't feature as it's not possible to have a tie for 'best second' based on match points (unless the second placed club in each of the four-team groups finish with the same match points). Edited April 22, 2018 by NeilWatson Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wealdstone 3,454 Posted April 22, 2018 So what have Panthers got to do to go through Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeilWatson 1,988 Posted April 22, 2018 16 minutes ago, wealdstone said: So what have Panthers got to do to go through Win on Tuesday, then wait for the other runners-up. Their target will be 14 match points Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Noodles 1,337 Posted April 22, 2018 24 minutes ago, wealdstone said: So what have Panthers got to do to go through Win on Tuesday & hope that when the rules are made up we go through 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lukas 911 Posted April 22, 2018 Why does British speedway shoot itself in the foot so often by making things complicated and not explaining or clarifying it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Paul Johnson 285 Posted April 22, 2018 Am i right in thinking realistically peterbrough finish on 9 pts but theorectically they could get another 7 pts if there were 4 teams? giving them 16? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jenga 2,998 Posted April 22, 2018 wasnt something like this tried last year or the year before ? . i am sure its been done before . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Crump99 4,475 Posted April 22, 2018 58 minutes ago, Noodles said: Win on Tuesday & hope that when the rules are made up we go through It's no doubt more a case of let's see who of the three second placers is our preferred option before we devise a formula to meet that objective, rather than taking a chance on a pre-agreed formula that could throw up a totally random outcome 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wealdstone 3,454 Posted April 22, 2018 Probably keep quiet as if truth be known there would be a adverse effect on crowd on tuesday Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stainlesssteelride 106 Posted April 22, 2018 There is a group of us that are not going, that's money down the pan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Crump99 4,475 Posted April 22, 2018 30 minutes ago, wealdstone said: Probably keep quiet as if truth be known there would be a adverse effect on crowd on tuesday Nobody needs to keep quiet though if the BSPA were doing their job (from the BSPA website): PLAY-OFF PICTURE - HOW IT WORKS - The top team from each group and the best second place race off in two semi-finals over two legs. - Winners of semi-final then race over two legs in the final to decide Championship Shield winners. How is best second place arrived at given unequal groups? As usual, it's just the attention to detail, not really Peterborough's problem. The lack of clarity probably helps us in that respect . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites