NeilWatson 1,988 Posted June 5, 2018 20 minutes ago, New era Panthers said: Looking at the latest set of averages issue 9 which is dated 04/ 06 / 18 Panthers would not be able to fit Jack Holder In as we only have 6.94 to play with and yet on the previous set dated 31 /05 /18 7.48 was enough to take team total to the max 42.50 and in between these dates we havn't had any meetings so how can they alter like this New averages were issued on 1st June (based on meetings up to 23rd May) which changed the team total and hence the scope for team changes. 15 minutes ago, Crump99 said: Best not to delve. I'm sure that someone understands it, or thinks that they do. That wasn't a prompt for anyone else! Sorry :-) 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Crump99 4,466 Posted June 5, 2018 6 minutes ago, New era Panthers said: Holder would be an ideal replacement if it would fit with averages and a guarantee not to miss any meetings , big doubt here and should that not be viable then I could see M.Kus coming in at reserve and a new to Britain rider on 5.20 coming in or maybe still use R/R for Grondal with the chance of a return when fit or still a possibility for Nicki Lunna . All sounds a right dogs dinner. I'll wait and see what transpires. Averages, permutations and rules just send me to sleep. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
New era Panthers 2,055 Posted June 5, 2018 7 minutes ago, NeilWatson said: New averages were issued on 1st June (based on meetings up to 23rd May) which changed the team total and hence the scope for team changes. Sorry :-) So what does issue 9 04 / 06 / 18 have any meaning for or as it makes no sense to me and there can't be any other people who can understand it either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ruffdiamond 6,115 Posted June 5, 2018 20 minutes ago, New era Panthers said: So what does issue 9 04 / 06 / 18 have any meaning for or as it makes no sense to me and there can't be any other people who can understand it either. The 'Kennett Window' was opened and has now closed Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
New era Panthers 2,055 Posted June 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, ruffdiamond said: The 'Kennett Window' was opened and has now closed Your guess is as good as mine , how can any riders average change when they hav'n't ridden in any meetings between sets of averages issued ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeilWatson 1,988 Posted June 5, 2018 5 minutes ago, New era Panthers said: Your guess is as good as mine , how can any riders average change when they hav'n't ridden in any meetings between sets of averages issued ? Because there are two different ‘kinds’ of green sheets - immediate changes where there is a team change, a rider gains an established CMA rather than assessed etc, and the monthly revised averages which are issued based on historic data. It is complex, especially when there’s a mixture of rolling and assessed averages and team changes over the month-end. I’ll come back to this later and try and illustrate how Panthers recent changes were arrived at. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
New era Panthers 2,055 Posted June 5, 2018 18 minutes ago, NeilWatson said: Because there are two different ‘kinds’ of green sheets - immediate changes where there is a team change, a rider gains an established CMA rather than assessed etc, and the monthly revised averages which are issued based on historic data. It is complex, especially when there’s a mixture of rolling and assessed averages and team changes over the month-end. I’ll come back to this later and try and illustrate how Panthers recent changes were arrived at. Thanks Neil. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
szkocjasid 2,836 Posted June 5, 2018 With the June averages Peterborough would have 7.10 to use if replacing Grondal - Kennet's June ave would be 6.85 (5.27 x 1.3) so he still fits (if he recovers before Grondal)! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimg 26 Posted June 5, 2018 1 hour ago, New era Panthers said: So what does issue 9 04 / 06 / 18 have any meaning for or as it makes no sense to me and there can't be any other people who can understand it either. Rolling avs that will come in next period, trouble is as newer riders get their 4 H 4A, a new list is issued with their effective date ,and Panthers have at least twice, had Lunna in and not BWD, a right mess jimg Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ruffdiamond 6,115 Posted June 5, 2018 12 minutes ago, jimg said: Rolling avs that will come in next period, trouble is as newer riders get their 4 H 4A, a new list is issued with their effective date ,and Panthers have at least twice, had Lunna in and not BWD, a right mess jimg BWD still at Worky according to the latest averages, maybe that signing has been undone, who knows ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigcatdiary 3,156 Posted June 5, 2018 18 minutes ago, ruffdiamond said: BWD still at Worky according to the latest averages, maybe that signing has been undone, who knows ? Hardly, Camptons done at least two meetings since then. Dont confuse Team Declarations with Team GSA, although the BSPA Office are making a good attempt. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
New era Panthers 2,055 Posted June 5, 2018 35 minutes ago, szkocjasid said: With the June averages Peterborough would have 7.10 to use if replacing Grondal - Kennet's June ave would be 6.85 (5.27 x 1.3) so he still fits (if he recovers before Grondal)! which at this stage doesn't help as other team members averages will change. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeilWatson 1,988 Posted June 5, 2018 51 minutes ago, szkocjasid said: With the June averages Peterborough would have 7.10 to use if replacing Grondal - Kennet's June ave would be 6.85 (5.27 x 1.3) so he still fits (if he recovers before Grondal)! Scott 7.74 Ulrich 7.41 Michael 6.68 Bradley 5.90 Emil 5.04 Simon 4.80 Tom 3.03 Team total 40.60 so 6.94 is the figure Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv 10,683 Posted June 5, 2018 1 hour ago, NeilWatson said: Because there are two different ‘kinds’ of green sheets - immediate changes where there is a team change, a rider gains an established CMA rather than assessed etc, and the monthly revised averages which are issued based on historic data. It is complex, especially when there’s a mixture of rolling and assessed averages and team changes over the month-end. I’ll come back to this later and try and illustrate how Panthers recent changes were arrived at. Which is exactly why I bang on about 'team redeclaration protocol' To me it would make much more sense that if when any team redclares that all avearges are adjusted to the up to date figures including all meetings regardless of cut off dates 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Crump99 4,466 Posted June 5, 2018 3 hours ago, NeilWatson said: Because there are two different ‘kinds’ of green sheets - immediate changes where there is a team change, a rider gains an established CMA rather than assessed etc, and the monthly revised averages which are issued based on historic data. It is complex, especially when there’s a mixture of rolling and assessed averages and team changes over the month-end. I’ll come back to this later and try and illustrate how Panthers recent changes were arrived at. What could possibly go wrong? That's not a go at you Neil but every time you try to explain it just clarifies why speedway now sits between netball and lacrosse in the sporting importance list. When you say two kinds of green sheets I assume that you mean the real ones and the made up ones that the powers that be follow. It has to be complex or fans would understand it and be right all of the time, that'd never do 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites