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A shorter season with weekly home meetings would encourage me to return. May to September.

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28 minutes ago, DC2 said:

 

I’ve never been that bothered about the price or the standard of riders, but I did lose interest when there was no home meeting for three weeks and the next one was against a weak team with two guests and R/R.

First you get used to not going every week, then you start picking and choosing the meetings you go to, and then even for the good matches you think “can I even be bothered with those now”. Eventually you make do with Updates and the TV coverage.

I think that has happened for Grachan too.

And me...

And a good 'few' others I reckon...

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1 hour ago, DC2 said:

 

I’ve never been that bothered about the price or the standard of riders, but I did lose interest when there was no home meeting for three weeks and the next one was against a weak team with two guests and R/R.

First you get used to not going every week, then you start picking and choosing the meetings you go to, and then even for the good matches you think “can I even be bothered with those now”. Eventually you make do with Updates and the TV coverage.

I think that has happened for Grachan too.

The points you make are only a catalyst of the points I have made.

The increased guests and R/R came about due to the continued weakening of the product and hence the increase of riders doubling up.

Were the teams of a high quality I doubt missing the odd week here and there would have anywhere near as much effect also. 

It's all a vicious spiral. Quite simply, you cannot hope to run a successful business if you continuously cut the quality and increase the price. Year after year after year it was done... and sadly many lackies on this forum year after year after year kept saying it was the solution. 

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24 minutes ago, BWitcher said:

The points you make are only a catalyst of the points I have made.

The increased guests and R/R came about due to the continued weakening of the product and hence the increase of riders doubling up.

Were the teams of a high quality I doubt missing the odd week here and there would have anywhere near as much effect also. 

It's all a vicious spiral. Quite simply, you cannot hope to run a successful business if you continuously cut the quality and increase the price. Year after year after year it was done... and sadly many lackies on this forum year after year after year kept saying it was the solution. 

 

Not necessarily. More guests are often due to having more foreign riders with international commitments, especially GP riders, so dumbing down with UK riders (even double uppers) can be better, although I would prefer one big league of 16 or 18 teams with no double upping.

 

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1 hour ago, DC2 said:

 

Not necessarily. More guests are often due to having more foreign riders with international commitments, especially GP riders, so dumbing down with UK riders (even double uppers) can be better, although I would prefer one big league of 16 or 18 teams with no double upping.

 

You're clearly living on a different planet if you think dumbing down and having MORE double uppers is better and isn't the cause of more guests.

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1 hour ago, DC2 said:

 

Not necessarily. More guests are often due to having more foreign riders with international commitments, especially GP riders, so dumbing down with UK riders (even double uppers) can be better, although I would prefer one big league of 16 or 18 teams with no double upping.

 

If you discount double uppers there are less than 100 separate riders currently in Premiership and Championship teams. Enough for 13 teams.

The writing is on the wall, and has been for years.

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21 minutes ago, 847084 said:

If you discount double uppers there are less than 100 separate riders currently in Premiership and Championship teams. Enough for 13 teams.

The writing is on the wall, and has been for years.

just aired my thoughts on a way forward on the Poole 2018 Forum.

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24 minutes ago, 847084 said:

If you discount double uppers there are less than 100 separate riders currently in Premiership and Championship teams. Enough for 13 teams.

The writing is on the wall, and has been for years.

Trying to labour this point for several seasons now.

there just aren’t enough riders of suitable quality to fill all team places unless the race format is decreased. The plan to dispense with the mimimum amount of British riders in reserve is also yet another short sighted approach to something that was working yet dispense with it because it didn’t suit all teams.

Put British riders and youngsters FIRST before you make any further plans going forward.

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1 hour ago, BWitcher said:

You're clearly living on a different planet if you think dumbing down and having MORE double uppers is better and isn't the cause of more guests.

 

Chill, BWitcher, have an ice cold Verdelho and read my post again.  :)

 

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1 minute ago, DC2 said:

 

Chill, BWitcher, have an ice cold Verdelho and read my post again.  :)

 

I've read it, it is nonsense.

'dumbing down with double up riders can be better'.

Absolute ridiculous nonsense.

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45 minutes ago, 847084 said:

If you discount double uppers there are less than 100 separate riders currently in Premiership and Championship teams. Enough for 13 teams.

The writing is on the wall, and has been for years.

 

And there’s about 150 riders listed on the 2017 year end averages, plus more newbies this year than retirees. Plenty for 16 or 18 teams, with excellent NL youngsters ready for reserve berths.

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2 minutes ago, BWitcher said:

I've read it, it is nonsense.

'dumbing down with double up riders can be better'.

Absolute ridiculous nonsense.

 

Ah, but you didn’t take long enough to chill.  :)

 

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1 hour ago, DC2 said:

 

And there’s about 150 riders listed on the 2017 year end averages, plus more newbies this year than retirees. Plenty for 16 or 18 teams, with excellent NL youngsters ready for reserve berths.

Some fans are stupid enough to believe that only riders currently riding in the UK would be available if doubling up/down was abandoned or if the pl and cl were combined to make one league.

They fail miserably to appreciate that the supply of riders is largely unchanged (why should it be, did speedway riders stop being born 20 years ago? lol!) while the total number of riders in the UK is reduced because the d/up/down option has been allowed to run out of hand.

These fans must think any new rider is some sort of bleedin miracle.

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1 hour ago, DC2 said:

 

And there’s about 150 riders listed on the 2017 year end averages, plus more newbies this year than retirees. Plenty for 16 or 18 teams, with excellent NL youngsters ready for reserve berths.

Aha. Someone coming around to partly my  way of thinking if you read my post on the Poole Forum ;)

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Yep, Stevebrum cough ....

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