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2018 Warsaw Gp

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Kind of agree,but must admit it does the trick,thought the ref dealt with the starts and warnings very well.

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46 minutes ago, Shockster said:

Riders moving at the start came into play again here.  I agree with the warnings system, but do feel once we get to the Semi Finals that all previous warnings should be quashed.  If a rider does move in the Semi then he carries it over should he reach the final.

Maybe it's me, but should a warning in a riders first heat hang over him in the final?

If we use your system riders who have already attempted to cheat in the heats get a free pass to try to cheat in the Semi or Final.    I don't see the merit in that.   WE all want a level start so why encourage something that may stop it.     If riders try to cheat they must expect to be penalised.

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19 hours ago, Sidney the robin said:

Total crap Cook was put in positions that he has never been put in before ok he come second best but he would of learned an awful lot.Mark can you remember Tai in his maiden GP season?????  he was p....  poor but he learned and got stronger learning as he went along.

Tai was 19, Cook is 30, different maturity level in the sport.   And when in contention Tai put his bike where he knew he could get hurt.  His best result in his first season was 7th so we'll see what happens in the remaining GPs.  The other riders would have seen Cook tentative and will bully or rough him up every time.  They know he can be moved out the way easily. 

I want him to do well but he won't win a heat with his Warsaw style of riding.   He'll need to accept close racing and crashing is part of GP racing.    I hope he does himself proud but I'm commenting on what we've all seen at Warsaw.   He's done better at Cardiff as a wild card so there is hope.

 

 

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45 minutes ago, Mark said:

If we use your system riders who have already attempted to cheat in the heats get a free pass to try to cheat in the Semi or Final.    I don't see the merit in that.   WE all want a level start so why encourage something that may stop it.     If riders try to cheat they must expect to be penalised.

I agree in principle to what you say, but they're not going to get away with it anyway.  Refs will pull them back if they jump.  Also not sure about cheating being the right word more down to nerves IMO and who wants to see a 3 rider final when 4 is better.

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15 hours ago, adonis said:

for me .it reinforced that no wheels should be allowed over the white line . both holder and doyle  specialise in diving inside people front wheel on the grass and barging them out of the way  .they have been getting away with it for far too long , doyle was out and the ref was right . 

In this case I can't see a single thing Doyle could have done to avoid the accident, he was on a decent line and the bike is settled and stable. If anybody was at fault it was Pawlicki as he was the one changing line and who was into the back of Woffinden. However in truth I don't think he did anything wrong either it was a pure racing incident and a case where all 4 should be allowed in the re-run in my opinion.

Front wheel going over the white line is just another technique in my opinion, one that some do better than others and is no more or less dangerous than running people wide when going for the dirt.

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Reckon you need to have another look as his wheel wasn't on the grass, doesn't even touch the white line.

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4 hours ago, Gavan said:

lol having another dig at Tai , you cant help yourself can you.

How about we got a Brit at the top of the standings going for a third world title!! 

Holder did ok but he is an Aussie so couldnt really give a stuff about his form. Im only interested in Tai and Cook

Very ironic considering you seem to have a dig at Brady Kurtz every other day on the Poole topic?? 

Also, Lindgren is currently top of the standings not Tai.

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49 minutes ago, Vince said:

Reckon you need to have another look as his wheel wasn't on the grass, doesn't even touch the white line.

He certainly  "squeezed" Pawlicki up though and left him nowhere to go,he was behind him ,not really along side him. Think the ref got it right.

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1 hour ago, Shockster said:

I agree in principle to what you say, but they're not going to get away with it anyway.  Refs will pull them back if they jump.  Also not sure about cheating being the right word more down to nerves IMO and who wants to see a 3 rider final when 4 is better.

I see your point about nerves playing a part.

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1 hour ago, Fromafar said:

He certainly  "squeezed" Pawlicki up though and left him nowhere to go,he was behind him ,not really along side him. Think the ref got it right.

Pawlicki "squeezed" himself up. He had the entirety of the bend and opted to go where he did. Nobody forced him there. 

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4 minutes ago, BWitcher said:

Pawlicki "squeezed" himself up. He had the entirety of the bend and opted to go where he did. Nobody forced him there. 

Exactly & as always the throttle goes two ways, could have backed out 

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4 hours ago, Vince said:

In this case I can't see a single thing Doyle could have done to avoid the accident, he was on a decent line and the bike is settled and stable. If anybody was at fault it was Pawlicki as he was the one changing line and who was into the back of Woffinden. However in truth I don't think he did anything wrong either it was a pure racing incident and a case where all 4 should be allowed in the re-run in my opinion.

Front wheel going over the white line is just another technique in my opinion, one that some do better than others and is no more or less dangerous than running people wide when going for the dirt.

I agree and felt that Pawlicki was actually the cause  - he tried to cut underneath Woffinden when Doyle was already there - he should have moved to a wider line.  Totally harsh on Doyle and the wrong decision.

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Tough decision for the ref but I think he made the right one .... and took an age to tell everyone!!

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On 5/12/2018 at 4:06 PM, Steve Shovlar said:

Very good GP to start the series. What a shame the Czech GP is next. Gaters paradise at the Marketa.

Some excellent racing with Holder doing very well.  Thought Woffindens childish behaviour was very poor before the final.

Firstly how can you complain about Tai's behavior when he not only goes out  and wins it but wins it in that style!??!!

Secondly, watch the last 2 Prague GPs. Far from boring Sir. 

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9 hours ago, Mark said:

If we use your system riders who have already attempted to cheat in the heats get a free pass to try to cheat in the Semi or Final.    I don't see the merit in that.   WE all want a level start so why encourage something that may stop it.     If riders try to cheat they must expect to be penalised.

True. And they usually get caught, resulting in further minutes of waiting for the heat. re-running for ages is no good. Happy to see the warning rule.

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