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[A ORLOV 8,628]

Correct its actuslly the opposite. Youd expect the average team average in any year to be around 41.5. So this year each team can be on average a point stronger than last year. And if no conversion is needed for heat leaders from 2016 who didnt ride last year, that strengthens it further as in reality they should be on multiplier.

It is not the team limit that is the issue it is the allowed build up of the team be it top heavy or stronger lower down.

[Midland Red 2,383]

PREMIERSHIP and Championship leagues team points average increased to 42.5 with the Premiership permitted one rider of an average of 8.00 or more. Championship has no restrictions.

 

I assume the "one rider" refers to the initial team declaration for the season, and doesn't compel teams to drop any other rider/s whose average goes to 8.00 or above during the season?

 

Say, for instance, a team starts with one 8+, together with two 7.75s and when the green sheets appear, all three are over 8.00 - can they retain all three?

 

On the reverse, when the green sheets appear, if all three are below 8.00 - can that team, who declared with one 8+ at the start of the season, bring in another 8+ at the expense of a rider whilst staying below the total limit?

 

Also, has it been declared how the team build averages are to be calculated in 2018 - do they include bonus points, the nominated heat, tac sub rides . . . ?

 

Edited November 23, 2017 by Midland Red

[Woz01 3,589]

Why should they be on a multiplier?

Riders like Tai gained their average while using the old format which heat leaders didn't face reserves. This is why the league has the potential to be stronger as they are leaving the averages alone it seems.

[noggin 1,388]

Riders like Tai gained their average while using the old format which heat leaders didn't face reserves. This is why the league has the potential to be stronger as they are leaving the averages alone it seems.

 

Good point.

[Catalan 717]

Reading the SS, it appears Fat Maud was the instigator of having Wednesdays as a fixed race night, instead of Thursdays, and every team voted to comply. That's all except Swindon. They have been given permission to run half their meetings on Thursdays, but it was also suggested we will run Thursdays in 2018....

 

So in affect these fixed race nights are ' Do as you Like'

 

I wonder , if we had the chance to sign Niels, but it meant moving our race night to Thursdays, so not to clash with the Danish league, would we be given the same compassion as Swindon. ???

 

So they could have gone Thursdays as was the original idea.

Then Ipswich shut and question marks over Redcar and Sheffield, maybe that was why Ford proposed Wednesday's.

It makes no difference Poole run Wednesday or Thursday.

[Skidder1 7,631]

Reading the SS, it appears Fat Maud was the instigator of having Wednesdays as a fixed race night, instead of Thursdays, and every team voted to comply. That's all except Swindon. They have been given permission to run half their meetings on Thursdays, but it was also suggested we will run Thursdays in 2018....

 

So in affect these fixed race nights are ' Do as you Like'

 

I wonder , if we had the chance to sign Niels, but it meant moving our race night to Thursdays, so not to clash with the Danish league, would we be given the same compassion as Swindon. ???

MF pushed for Wednesdays as an alternative only after it became apparent that 2 of the 3 Thursday Championship clubs threatened not to run if Thursdays became a Premiership fixed night!!!

[Catalan 717]

MF pushed for Wednesdays as an alternative only after it became apparent that 2 of the 3 Thursday Championship clubs threatened not to run if Thursdays became a Premiership fixed night!!!

 

Easier to moan about Matt than accept he was actually trying to help.

[YerRopes 3,009]

It is if your name's Thorssell or Morris!!

 

Or if you happen to be a supporter of Wolves or Swindon !

 

I have watched Nick Morris since he first rode for the Robins, he has been loyal to Swindon and progressed enormously !

 

i would imagine that most fans want him to stay and no doubt he would like to aswell

[g13webb 4,254]

So they could have gone Thursdays as was the original idea.

Then Ipswich shut and question marks over Redcar and Sheffield, maybe that was why Ford proposed Wednesday's.

It makes no difference Poole run Wednesday or Thursday.

 

So are we being blackmailed by Ipswich ? , who are dictating their preferences.... Surely the question here is why teams like Ipswich and Sheffield prefer to be a big fish in a little pond rather than compete with the best available. If the championship is so sought after, why not run the Premiership on the similar lines. The last thing the sport wants is to have 2 separate entities, each competing for their own importance.

 

We argue the sport is not taken seriously, yet we continue to fuel the ideas that project this image. There is talk of a 5 yr plan but surely the first priority is to run the sport on a progressive structure. You cant allow teams to dictate their existence, It's like allowing Arsenal to compete in the 2nd division. We experienced this at Lynn and most of the success gained always had that hollow feel attached to it, knowing we were only playing in a small pond....

 

When those fixed race night were first mentioned, it was thought Thursday was a far better option than Wednesday's because of them clashing with Danish league. Now it seems the whole programme has had to be adjusted, because of 2 teams refused to comply....

 

This sport will never move forward, until all the teams are of one unanimous body...

[Grachan 7,314]

Or if you happen to be a supporter of Wolves or Swindon !

 

I have watched Nick Morris since he first rode for the Robins, he has been loyal to Swindon and progressed enormously !

 

i would imagine that most fans want him to stay and no doubt he would like to aswell

Thorssell was tweeting yesterday that he is worried about the over 8 rule. He wants to ride in the UK and wants to ride for Wolves.

 

The problem here is that these are not like the top riders of old, as mentioned elsewhere. It's not a Hancock / Hamill or was Holder / Ward.

 

These are riders who stuck with a much weakened league last year and, because of that, have need up with averages a point above the likes of Zagar, Woffinden, Kildemand etc who rode in a stronger league and with a different race format. That is why this is wrong in this particular year.

 

It's not just about team strength.

So are we being blackmailed by Ipswich ? ..

Wouldn't be the first time.

Edited November 23, 2017 by grachan

[Kickitov 104]

 

So are we being blackmailed by Ipswich ? , who are dictating their preferences.... Surely the question here is why teams like Ipswich and Sheffield prefer to be a big fish in a little pond rather than compete with the best available. If the championship is so sought after, why not run the Premiership on the similar lines. The last thing the sport wants is to have 2 separate entities, each competing for their own importance.

 

We argue the sport is not taken seriously, yet we continue to fuel the ideas that project this image. There is talk of a 5 yr plan but surely the first priority is to run the sport on a progressive structure. You cant allow teams to dictate their existence, It's like allowing Arsenal to compete in the 2nd division. We experienced this at Lynn and most of the success gained always had that hollow feel attached to it, knowing we were only playing in a small pond....

 

When those fixed race night were first mentioned, it was thought Thursday was a far better option than Wednesday's because of them clashing with Danish league. Now it seems the whole programme has had to be adjusted, because of 2 teams refused to comply....

 

This sport will never move forward, until all the teams are of one unanimous body...

 

Here lies the problem. Ipswich and one other team by the sounds of it are more interested in their own team than the sport as a whole. Thursday's should have been the only option if the sport wanted to progress. Interesting to read in the SS that Rossiter believes it should have been Thursday's and that it's likely to change in 2019.

[noggin 1,388]

Thorssell was tweeting yesterday that he is worried about the over 8 rule. He wants to ride in the UK and wants to ride for Wolves.

 

The problem here is that these are not like the top riders of old, as mentioned elsewhere. It's not a Hancock / Hamill or was Holder / Ward.

 

These are riders who stuck with a much weakened league last year and, because of that, have need up with averages a point above the likes of Zagar, Woffinden, Kildemand etc who rode in a stronger league and with a different race format. That is why this is wrong in this particular year.

 

It's not just about team strength.

 

We could have JD/PK or JD/MZ or JD/TW probably stronger combos than JD/NM, using up less points within the 42.5 limit, most likely be a 12th hour rule change saying only 1 current GP rider, you would think those that voted for this silly rule would prefer Swindon to burn points on JD/NM than potentially having two top line GP riders.

[g13webb 4,254]

 

We could have JD/PK or JD/MZ or JD/TW probably stronger combos than JD/NM, using up less points within the 42.5 limit, most likely be a 12th hour rule change saying only 1 current GP rider, you would think those that voted for this silly rule would prefer Swindon to burn points on JD/NM than potentially having two top line GP riders.

 

If the BSPA were to allow any team now to field JD/PK or JD/MZ or JD/TW it would be total madness, But it would sure highlight the stupidity of that '1 over 8' rule....

[Bagpuss 10,755]

Why would it be total madness please?

[Steve0 5,517]

Why would it be total madness please?

I guess if it has to be explained then you think there is nothing wrong with having one of the top 16 riders in the world replace a rider not currently at the same level as them!

 

So Nick Morris is "too good" to ride in the same team as Doyley but better quality riders from the SGP can - and you can't see the madness?

Edited November 24, 2017 by Steve0