ch958 2,395 Posted November 20, 2017 If you're using R/R at #3 for your second heat leader you can use your number 1 in heat 11, 12 (R/R), 13, 14(tac sub) and 15! Typical speedway. Any speedway is better than no speedway and then wonder why the sport is on it's backside. Any decent business/sport has a degree of quality control. If tracks are not up to standard sort it out or close down. Stop dragging the product down. But speedway loves mediocrity, we'll have mediocre teams competing on mediocre tracks and while we have plenty of young Brits out there we'll let worse than mediocre Aussies have work permits and then be shocked that Australia do better than us in GPs and SWCs in the future. when i watched at Cleveland Park loads of away riders moaned about it being a trick track but i saw amazing races on it and yet went to Halifax and Odsal plenty of times and the passing was at a premium when i was there.- obviously with good meetings too. My dad used to say proper riders can ride Cleveland Park 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pugwash 3,208 Posted November 20, 2017 (edited) All in all, 'Rearranging Deckchairs' could be the term to summarise the AGM. Edited November 20, 2017 by pugwash 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheReturn 1,724 Posted November 20, 2017 All in all, 'Rearranging Deckchairs' could be the term to summarise the AGM. But this time they seem to have got them in the right place. Not sure we need to be negative. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marko 956 Posted November 20, 2017 The double ups & guests remain, I will not be following any speedway... But the whole point is with the fixed race nights it will be no different to when riders raced in several different countries, in fact it will be better because they will be able to travel around the UK riding for two clubs without either club being affected by the other unless of course said gets injured, and that could happen anytime. More chance of seeing a settled team next season, than for some time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The White Knight 9,039 Posted November 20, 2017 Copied from the Newcastle 'Diamonds' Thread: You can expect me to return to Brough Park next Season and hopefully Redcar now and again depending on Health and Weather.. Not every week but as often as I can. Whilst I am not thrilled about the Tac. Sub. Rule - I am delighted that the Double Points is consigned to the dustbin of history where it belongs. The BSPA have come part way to satisfying me with their decision on Double Points, and it would be churlish not to acknowledge that by changing my stance. Thanks are due to the BSPA for getting rid of the 'Joker'. I have hammered them with criticism over the years regarding the Tactical Ride Issue - I feel it is only right that I applaud them for their Decision to end it. 10 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
topaz325 1,855 Posted November 20, 2017 The AGM is now finished & some finer details should be forthcoming but as everyone should know, the decisions made are NOT made by the BSPA committee, they just "chair" the meeting. ALL promoters in the PL &CL have a say & a vote with their hand, so if you have a problem, take it up with your promoter. In the SS, it has been stated that they got some things wrong(they do every year) but again, not just the BSPA's fault, but the fault of the promoters voting & decisions made during the season. I mentioned earlier that Mondays & Wednesdays would suit the British Leagues better before knowing who was in the play offs, who could be promoted(farce), who could move between leagues. The only riders affected by this will be the riders who ride in the Danish League who wish to ride in the PL. Some riders, already, have Danish League places. A 42.5 limit across both leagues seems to be what most posters were after. Will there be a conversion factor up/down for riders moving to a league where they did not ride. If a rider rode in both leagues, which average will apply? (I said this last year that if you have a PL average then that should apply in the PL & vica versa for CL. YES, the t/r is abolished & t/s brought in but how many times can it be used? Being able to use it up to & including heat 14 means top riders could influence a late surge to change a result being in heat 13, t/s in heat 14 & nominated in heat 15. (TAKE NOTE ROB ) From a post above, Chris Louis has said no restarts unless tapes touched so ROLLING will be allowed.(start marshals must make sure riders are within 75mm of tapes with front wheel spindle over the 2nd line). None of the Workington promoters attended due to family commitments Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
uk_martin 1,606 Posted November 20, 2017 THE 8.00 X1 only in the prem is good as will stop to many foreign riders in our leagues give the young brits a chance Absolutely...So out of the following list of riders, only 8 can have a job...based on their official averages. That's how you improve your product... Kenneth Bjerre Craig Cook Max Fricke Brady Kurtz Krzysztof Kasprzak Jason Doyle Nick Morris Fredrik Lindgren Jacob Thorsell Rory Schlein Sam Masters Chris Holder Andreas Johnsson Neils Kristian Iversen Maciej Janowski Which leaves anyone with bags of money and the gift of the gab to go headlong towards signing that budding British talent - Tai Woffinden - who is only on a 7.04 CMA and therefore the hottest property on the scene, Kind of says it all about the state of the nation that in that list of over-8-pointers, only two are British, whereas 7 are Australian. Yeah, let's hammer the Aussies. That's how we'll regain control of our borders and keep those damned foreigners out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grand Central 2,654 Posted November 20, 2017 (edited) I'd say a pretty brilliant AGM for the Chamionship. They have not lost any numbers to the 'lure' of the Premiership. Instead gave gained an extra team. The fixed nights have given the graveyard slot Mondays to the PL and with the Thursday night tracks sticking with the Championship they have retained that excellent midweek choice for them all as well. It means that the Chamionship has the excellent spread of Thursday through the entire weekend. Kerching! The Single eight pointer in the PL may 'feel' like the right move to their owners, so as to try and distribute them evenly around the teams. But it sends out the wrong message. It just reeks of 'dumbing down' the product there. Even when it isn't. The unrestricted element in the Championship sounds do much better to sell to folk as a success. On top of it all the fixed nights will allow almost everyone from the PL to ride in the Championsip without those fixture clashes that so blighted last season. I cannot see why anyone was daft enough to choose to stay in the PL. They've given the best stuff away! Edited November 20, 2017 by Grand Central 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
szkocjasid 3,018 Posted November 20, 2017 (edited) Overall some common sense decisions. My only gripe is Tac Sub in Heat 14 and only one rider over 8 point ave in the Premiership. But some teams have had strong riders at 4 already, such as Thorsell at Wolves & Lindgren at Newcastle, which will negate tactical substitutes in heat 14 (in theory)! Edited November 20, 2017 by szkocjasid Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
uk_martin 1,606 Posted November 20, 2017 ...That ends my planned trips to Rye House, Belle Vue and Somerset for next season... Speedway promoters in the top league have never cared about away fans so they won't worry about that at all. Yes the days of a "Southern Tour" are over for the top league but thankfully the Championship will still cater for teams going on "Northern Tours"...hopefully... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alan_Jones 1,005 Posted November 20, 2017 Absolutely...So out of the following list of riders, only 8 can have a job...based on their official averages. That's how you improve your product... You must be looking at the averages with bonus points. The official GSAs are Max Fricke (7.39), Krzysztof Kasprzak (6.95), Rory Schlein (7.72), Sam Masters (7.92), Chris Holder (7.16) 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SCB 0 Posted November 20, 2017 when i watched at Cleveland Park loads of away riders moaned about it being a trick track but i saw amazing races on it and yet went to Halifax and Odsal plenty of times and the passing was at a premium when i was there.- obviously with good meetings too. My dad used to say proper riders can ride Cleveland Park Couldn't care less what the riders think. Its what the fans think. In my jobs I've a few times sat in cramped, dark, cold (or hot) trucks making TV shows but I get paid to suck it up and not moan. The important thing is that the viewer at home loves it. Not in speedway, we pander to the riders. And to go back to the original point, if a show is crap it's scrapped. the BBC don't keep it on air because 200 people like it, they scrap it and make better alternatives for the 1000s, not the 100s - but hey, this is speedway, they know better! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wealdstone 3,454 Posted November 20, 2017 All this could have been achieved in the café at the nearest Tescos . 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Paul Johnson 285 Posted November 20, 2017 Oh for the days of grandstand and world of sport, all BBC show on sat are cooking or house buying, Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv 10,706 Posted November 20, 2017 All this could have been achieved in the café at the nearest Tescos .Is that where Ged with Torun.... 😜 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
