a4poster 82 Posted November 21, 2017 Looking at the statement issued by the BSPA it states: Promoters have also listened to fans’ feedback and have scrapped the tactical ride for double points and rolled back the years by bringing back the traditional tactical substitute when a team is six points or more behind. This applies between Heats 5-14 excluding Heat 8. My question amounts to the the number of TS rides that can be used during a meeting? Is it limited to one or as many providing the deficit is six or more as many as the TM feels necessary? Thanks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fromafar 10,224 Posted November 21, 2017 Looking at the statement issued by the BSPA it states: My question amounts to the the number of TS rides that can be used during a meeting? Is it limited to one or as many providing the deficit is six or more as many as the TM feels necessary? Thanks. Think it is one.(could be wrong) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
George Dodds 310 Posted November 22, 2017 Think it is one.(could be wrong) They say it is a return to the old rule which was one tactical substitution per rider if a team was six points or more behind after heat six. So theoretically there could be seven tactical substitutions but only one per rider. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fromafar 10,224 Posted November 22, 2017 (edited) They say it is a return to the old rule which was one tactical substitution per rider if a team was six points or more behind after heat six. So theoretically there could be seven tactical substitutions but only one per rider. Dont think that is correct.Before the Black and white double points rule,there was only a max of 2 Tac rides . Edited November 22, 2017 by Fromafar 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Midland Red 2,383 Posted November 22, 2017 They say it is a return to the old rule which was one tactical substitution per rider if a team was six points or more behind after heat six. So theoretically there could be seven tactical substitutions but only one per rider. That's how I recall it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve roberts 9,241 Posted November 22, 2017 Dont think that is correct.Before the Black and white double points rule,there was only a max of 2 Tac rides . If I remember you could have as many T/S as long as you were six points behind and you also had choice of gates. You could even have a double T/S if you so wished in a particular heat. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
britmet 233 Posted November 22, 2017 If I remember you could have as many T/S as long as you were six points behind and you also had choice of gates. You could even have a double T/S if you so wished in a particular heat. . It depended on what decade you're going back to. It changed often over time. So no point in believing that what you recall it to have been in 19XX will be what it'll be in 2018. BSPA need to give us their new ruling. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tsunami 10,219 Posted November 22, 2017 . It depended on what decade you're going back to. It changed often over time. So no point in believing that what you recall it to have been in 19XX will be what it'll be in 2018. BSPA need to give us their new ruling. No doubt this and other things that were discussed, but not reported in the AGM statement, will be released running up to the start of the season as usual. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alan_Jones 1,005 Posted November 22, 2017 Gordon Pairman has already answered the question, it's once only. http://www.speedway-forum.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=85633&view=findpost&p=3058705 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grachan 7,314 Posted November 22, 2017 If I remember you could have as many T/S as long as you were six points behind and you also had choice of gates. You could even have a double T/S if you so wished in a particular heat. Yup. I remember being at Oxford once and they had Nielsen and Wigg out in heat 13. They were 6 down going into heat 12 and used a double tactical - Nielsen and Wigg. So they had them out in heats 12 and 13, got two 5-1s and won the match. Just one ts is better than having the TR, but it doesn't bring back the skilled tactics of the old ts. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigcatdiary 3,156 Posted November 22, 2017 Gordon Pairman has already answered the question, it's once only. http://www.speedway-forum.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=85633&view=findpost&p=3058705 To be fair one is generally a waste of time, why not scrap it altogether or allow it multiple times whilst a team remains at least 6 points behind., they have even stopped teams doing it in heat 8 which was generally the time everyone used it. Total half hearted attempt to appease the fans. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
racers and royals 8,697 Posted November 22, 2017 To be fair one is generally a waste of time, why not scrap it altogether or allow it multiple times whilst a team remains at least 6 points behind., they have even stopped teams doing it in heat 8 which was generally the time everyone used it. Total half hearted attempt to appease the fans. One has to remember that one of the reasons it was dropped before was that 2nd strings / reserves were being pulled from races(sometimes their easiest) and they were claiming they couldn`t make it pay !! now with the riders riding for uncle Tom Cobley and all- that won`t now be a problem. stopping multiple times is purely a cost issue. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve roberts 9,241 Posted November 22, 2017 (edited) . It depended on what decade you're going back to. It changed often over time. So no point in believing that what you recall it to have been in 19XX will be what it'll be in 2018. BSPA need to give us their new ruling. ...was only replying to an observation made on a previous post and not making a comparison. Yup. I remember being at Oxford once and they had Nielsen and Wigg out in heat 13. They were 6 down going into heat 12 and used a double tactical - Nielsen and Wigg. So they had them out in heats 12 and 13, got two 5-1s and won the match. Just one ts is better than having the TR, but it doesn't bring back the skilled tactics of the old ts. ...of course to allow that to happen a Team Manager then had the opportunity to declare riders 1-5 irrespective of average...although Hans never rode as number 3 or 5 (heat 13 home scenario) so I assume that 'The Cheetahs' were operating the R/R facility on that occasion? Edited November 22, 2017 by steve roberts Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grachan 7,314 Posted November 22, 2017 ...was only replying to an observation made on a previous post and not making a comparison. ...of course to allow that to happen a Team Manager then had the opportunity to declare riders 1-5 irrespective of average...although Hans never rode as number 3 or 5 (heat 13 home scenario) so I assume that 'The Cheetahs' were operating the R/R facility on that occasion? Could well have been. I just remember such a thing happening! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve roberts 9,241 Posted November 22, 2017 Could well have been. I just remember such a thing happening! ...remember 'The Cheetahs' being eight down with three/four heats remaining and winning both matches away at Wimbledon and King's Lynn during the 1984 season...great stuff! The win at King's Lynn particularly got up the nose of Lynn promoter Martin Rogers I recall! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites