Grachan 7,360 Posted June 11, 2018 13 minutes ago, Pinny said: Is it? i meant Lambert should of been in main team from the off. keep embarrasing yourself you joke of a guy. Finally Starman has been dethroned from top spot in the League of Dopes, by none other than yourself. w@nker By having Lambert at reserve you could effectively use him at will and have, in Cook, a GP rider as back up. It made sense for him to be reserve if he was eligible. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
orion 7,615 Posted June 11, 2018 11 minutes ago, PHILIPRISING said: HAVE heard from what I consider to be a very reliable source in Poland this morning that there was a concerted campaign in the media, on websites and from team manager Marek Cieslak for Polish fans to boycott the event in protest at what they perceived to be attempts by the FIM to stop Poland from winning by changing the format of the SWC to the SON. Having a bit of bad luck ..first a women's Basketball match now this . 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stewmac 471 Posted June 11, 2018 (edited) 15 minutes ago, PHILIPRISING said: HAVE heard from what I consider to be a very reliable source in Poland this morning that there was a concerted campaign in the media, on websites and from team manager Marek Cieslak for Polish fans to boycott the event in protest at what they perceived to be attempts by the FIM to stop Poland from winning by changing the format of the SWC to the SON. Certainly Sportowefakty website made it clear on Saturday that (in their opinion) the track had been doctored by Phil Morris by soaking it and therefore ensuring it was very different to how it had been earlier in the week when the Polish lads were spending hours on it. Edited June 11, 2018 by stewmac Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OveFundinFan 4,140 Posted June 11, 2018 3 minutes ago, stewmac said: Certainly Sportowefakty website made it clear on Saturday that (in their opinion) the track had been doctored by Phil Morris by soaking it and therefore ensuring it was very different to how it had been earlier in the week when the Polish lads were spending hours on it. I would have thought on the lead up to an international event no one in the lead up to it, say 1 week, would be allowed any practice other then official practice. So good on Phil Morris if watering effectively "neutralized" the track, if indeed that was the case. No amount of track doctoring, whether beneficial to this team or that team, could excuse Poland have two warnings and an exclusion in heat 1. Anyway, some riders say they deem even official practice unnecessary. That's due, it is said, the track on race day is very often different to practice day. If that's the case there is no need for anyone to "spend hours on it" earlier in the week. I noticed on the Polish Friday meeting the riders came out to the "parade" on their bikes, whereas on the Saturday they walked out. So it seems the riders were even being stopped from even having a practice start. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BWitcher 12,453 Posted June 11, 2018 1 minute ago, OveFundinFan said: I would have thought on the lead up to an international event no one in the lead up to it, say 1 week, would be allowed any practice other then official practice. So good on Phil Morris if watering effectively "neutralized" the track, if indeed that was the case. No amount of track doctoring, whether beneficial to this team or that team, could excuse Poland have two warnings and an exclusion in heat 1. Anyway, some riders say they deem even official practice unnecessary. That's due, it is said, the track on race day is very often different to practice day. If that's the case there is no need for anyone to "spend hours on it" earlier in the week. I noticed on the Polish Friday meeting the riders came out to the "parade" on their bikes, whereas on the Saturday they walked out. So it seems the riders were even being stopped from even having a practice start. Woffinden didn't practice. Major mistake in my opinion, he dropped a pt as a result. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aces51 2,778 Posted June 11, 2018 (edited) I hope that the SON doesn't replace the SWC but that both competitions continue by being held in alternate years. The SWC, minus the Joker, is fine as it is but the SON format needs to be changed so that the nation scoring the most points wins. That could be either by taking the scores at the end of the normal heats or adding the scores from a final race . A solution also needs to be found to make the race off events more entertaining by ensuring those taking part are of more equal ability. Perhaps the lesser speedway nations could be involved in a quarter final and the top 2 progress to a semi final with all of the top nations apart from the nation hosting the final, who would continue to be seeded or, my preference, that only the lesser nations are involved in a semi final with only the winner going into the final. And I forgot to add, change the name to reflect it is a World Championship as I and others have previously said. Edited June 11, 2018 by Aces51 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pinny 2,536 Posted June 11, 2018 32 minutes ago, adonis said: Right so you wanted to replace a GP rider with a kid in his second season of speedway so as not to insult Lambert . I very much doubt Lambert was insulted in any way by being selected as one of 3 to represent his country . I can't even say that's laughable because it's not even that .it's pathetic, coming on here getting all indignant about something that no-one else has even thought about including the Lamberts , and you call me a dope time to come back to the UK .you have been upside down for so long ,the blood has rushed to your head Yes I would of replAced an out of form GP rider with the EL top dog, makes sense. And start them both in every race with Bewley as reserve if anything went wrong. lambert has been flying all season and should of joined Tai from the start without a doubt Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PHILIPRISING 7,298 Posted June 11, 2018 2 minutes ago, Pinny said: Yes I would of replAced an out of form GP rider with the EL top dog, makes sense. And start them both in every race with Bewley as reserve if anything went wrong. lambert has been flying all season and should of joined Tai from the start without a doubt BUT GB got to the Final with the most number of points. Didn't make any difference. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grand Central 2,654 Posted June 11, 2018 (edited) 57 minutes ago, PHILIPRISING said: HAVE heard from what I consider to be a very reliable source in Poland this morning that there was a concerted campaign in the media, on websites and from team manager Marek Cieslak for Polish fans to boycott the event in protest at what they perceived to be attempts by the FIM to stop Poland from winning by changing the format of the SWC to the SON. Mind you, these were not just 'perceived' attempts to stop them winning dreamt up by particularly over sensitive Poles. This had been most informed people's (correct) opinion worldwide since the idea of a SWC replacement was first mooted. You are not being paranoid if folk really ARE out to get you. But whether this was REALLY the reason why thousands upon thousands of individual Poles did not attend ... I somewhat doubt that will be the case. It still remains the truth that ahead of the events the public was not won over by what seemed a very dubious competition . This was true in England, Germany AND Poland. In fact there was not a place on earth that could have got a good crowd for it especially at the prices being charged. The real blame still lies with BSI and the FIM Now the final was seen to be so brilliant things may be very different next time. The superb action provided by the riders ... that has saved so many people from having to do a lot more explaining of their failures in strategy and organisation. Armando and Torben should go down on bended knee to ALL the riders for that. Edited June 11, 2018 by Grand Central 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
THE DEAN MACHINE 4,738 Posted June 11, 2018 (edited) 45 minutes ago, PHILIPRISING said: HAVE heard from what I consider to be a very reliable source in Poland this morning that there was a concerted campaign in the media, on websites and from team manager Marek Cieslak for Polish fans to boycott the event in protest at what they perceived to be attempts by the FIM to stop Poland from winning by changing the format of the SWC to the SON. My polish friends say the price of tickets was reason, sounds very familiar, if you read the polish speedway page on Facebook, price is a big factor Edited June 11, 2018 by THE DEAN MACHINE 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
foamfence 2,917 Posted June 11, 2018 2 minutes ago, Pinny said: Yes I would of replAced an out of form GP rider with the EL top dog, makes sense. And start them both in every race with Bewley as reserve if anything went wrong. lambert has been flying all season and should of joined Tai from the start without a doubt It's 'have' not 'of.' 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fromafar 10,358 Posted June 11, 2018 (edited) Noticed during after match interview Cook forgot to wear his Team Silver Medal.Hope he doesn't get a fine for being unprofessional. Edited June 11, 2018 by Fromafar Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pinny 2,536 Posted June 11, 2018 5 minutes ago, adonis said: try standing on your hands for a few minutes .It might help I reckon you were stood on your head violently at birth for a few minutes but it certainly hasnt helped. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
norbold 7,106 Posted June 11, 2018 2 minutes ago, Pinny said: Its Nitpickingtosser not foamfence !!! It's not Its. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
foamfence 2,917 Posted June 11, 2018 Just now, Pinny said: Its Nitpickingtosser not foamfence !!! There's no need for that kind of remark, if you made a better job of your posts people might give you more respect and accept your points....... Then again maybe you don't want that? 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites