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Belle Vue V Poole SGB Prem. A. 16th April 2018

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Like Wednesday another fabulous show by The Aces but this time the stand ins did just enough to get the win. Very optimistic about this side should we ever get back to full strength. 

Poole were as expected apart from the poles, if they don’t do it at the NSS then they’re not going to do it elsewhere which is a concern for Middlo. 

No surprise to see PK top scoring with three wins. It’s typical of Belle Vues luck to meet Poole when they are bolstered by his inclusion. They will miss his once Holder comes back. 

 

Racing wise was not up to the usual standard with only eight or nine races of note the pick being Bjerre & Woryna passing and re passing, the blanket race of Ht9 or the awesome Ht12. 

Cook repass of Kurtz for the 5-1 was good to watch too. I’d happily watch it again when the dvd comes out as

it would be worth it just to see how Max avoided carnage following Josh’s  Poole type move. 

Cracking meeting and a real tonic in every sense after last weeks fair. 

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7 minutes ago, ouch said:

Like Wednesday another fabulous show by The Aces but this time the stand ins did just enough to get the win. Very optimistic about this side should we ever get back to full strength. 

Poole were as expected apart from the poles, if they don’t do it at the NSS then they’re not going to do it elsewhere which is a concern for Middlo. 

No surprise to see PK top scoring with three wins. It’s typical of Belle Vues luck to meet Poole when they are bolstered by his inclusion. They will miss his once Holder comes back. 

 

Racing wise was not up to the usual standard with only eight or nine races of note the pick being Bjerre & Woryna passing and re passing, the blanket race of Ht9 or the awesome Ht12. 

Cook repass of Kurtz for the 5-1 was good to watch too. I’d happily watch it again when the dvd comes out as

it would be worth it just to see how Max avoided carnage following Josh’s  Poole type move. 

Cracking meeting and a real tonic in every sense after last weeks fair. 

I would have said the Poles may have done better and yes they will no doubt struggle at Leicester, Rye and Wolves. As ive said although Wolves dont look that strong they would be a match for Poole over 2 legs

Holder wont bring better scoring than PK , but a bit of experience and his presence can bring the other riders up a notch maybe.

Cant see how you can say Josh was 'a Poole type move'. I wouldnt ever say Poole have dirty riders (Not since Dennis Andersson) but it seems form those that were there that Josh was a bit naughty

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1 hour ago, WestGorton1884 said:

I was told The programme was not so much a ‘insert’ as a  last minute change to pay tribute to Ivan Mauger ?

and it was only £1 

otherwise a fair assessment of the nights preceedings 

 

 

The programme was £3. 

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24 minutes ago, Gavan said:

I would have said the Poles may have done better and yes they will no doubt struggle at Leicester, Rye and Wolves. As ive said although Wolves dont look that strong they would be a match for Poole over 2 legs

Holder wont bring better scoring than PK , but a bit of experience and his presence can bring the other riders up a notch maybe.

Cant see how you can say Josh was 'a Poole type move'. I wouldnt ever say Poole have dirty riders (Not since Dennis Andersson) but it seems form those that were there that Josh was a bit naughty

I  think many people will be swallowing there words when Chris returns mate. Having watched his meeting over the w'end he looked a lot more like the Chris of old.
Many teams will struggle round Wolves this season next season and the season after. Its a specialised track, but not hard to fathom if you watch...
Josh will come on this season, he has been given the responsabillity of the captaincy, and he is very proud to be our captain, and will lead by example, like Matt says, it will give Chris, when he returns a chance to just ride his bike and re-discover the old Chris Holder, and he will

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I will wait and see what this new chris holder will bring to the team cant see him any better than kildermand only time will tell ?

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10 minutes ago, Starman2006 said:

I  think many people will be swallowing there words when Chris returns mate. Having watched his meeting over the w'end he looked a lot more like the Chris of old.
Many teams will struggle round Wolves this season next season and the season after. Its a specialised track, but not hard to fathom if you watch...
Josh will come on this season, he has been given the responsabillity of the captaincy, and he is very proud to be our captain, and will lead by example, like Matt says, it will give Chris, when he returns a chance to just ride his bike and re-discover the old Chris Holder, and he will

As i said Kildemand is scoring what Holder would do but Chris might get the others to raise their game. Holder will score 10's and 11's like Kildemand would do but if his knowledge helps others its better to have Holder than Kildemand

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14 minutes ago, Starman2006 said:

I  think many people will be swallowing there words when Chris returns mate. Having watched his meeting over the w'end he looked a lot more like the Chris of old.
Many teams will struggle round Wolves this season next season and the season after. Its a specialised track, but not hard to fathom if you watch...
Josh will come on this season, he has been given the responsabillity of the captaincy, and he is very proud to be our captain, and will lead by example, like Matt says, it will give Chris, when he returns a chance to just ride his bike and re-discover the old Chris Holder, and he will

At the weekend that is the sharpest i have seen Chris look for quite a while early days yet  but to think he will get back to the 2012 version  is a big ask i hope he does a real talent at his best.

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8 hours ago, Gavan said:

Correct. I wouldn’t let 2 average performances put Poole fans off just yet there’s room for improvement.

Just think of the team Poole could have had of the kept good young Brits like Howarth, Newman and Ellis.

Was looking forward to a match report 

Man you are a walking contradiction! First of all you said we should be worried and now you say not to be. Then you moan at SS about his match reports saying they are too biased and now you want one!

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4 hours ago, Gavan said:

Thought that Poole would have done better as Belle Vue were seriously weakened and Tungate struggling.

Whats wrong with Shanes? Young Brit giving it a go and he will have good and bad nights. The way Poole have set their team up as long as he chips in 3 or 4 a meeting he will be doing whats expected.

Maybe you could bomb him out same as Howarth, Ellis and Newman , why do Poole not give Brits a chance?

I think Poole did a great job. We have a lot of foreign riders who are UK rusty in general and just starting to gel as a team. Rome wasn't built in a day. Not sure why some people think that Poles should all be able to perform well instantly at the NSS, just because it's big!

I didn't say there was anything wrong with Shanes, other than I don't rate him. Poole have given plenty of Brits a chance. A chance is an opportunity isn't it? Wouldn't you say several years in the team is more than a fair chance? There is a big difference between giving somebody a chance and carrying somebody undeservedly because of their nationality. That would be the very definition of racial discrimination, would it not?

You can try and talk Poole down all you like, but your constant babbling on about how sh*t we are won't make it so. It's very odd your obsession with degrading Poole... I've never seen anything like it. You jump on our threads like flies to sh*t. Your posts are so full of biased vitriol and passive aggression that there is a complete lack of respect among any of the members of this forum for you or anything you write. 

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Don't always agree with SS's posts/wind ups, however I think his meeting review was pretty fair. Based on last night, Poole are still title favourites for me, potential race winners throughout their line up. If the Aces can get Tungate firing & Stevie W back fit ASAP then I think we'll join them in the playoffs come September time.

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31 minutes ago, BurntFaceMan said:

I think Poole did a great job. We have a lot of foreign riders who are UK rusty in general and just starting to gel as a team. Rome wasn't built in a day. Not sure why some people think that Poles should all be able to perform well instantly at the NSS, just because it's big!

I didn't say there was anything wrong with Shanes, other than I don't rate him. Poole have given plenty of Brits a chance. A chance is an opportunity isn't it? Wouldn't you say several years in the team is more than a fair chance? There is a big difference between giving somebody a chance and carrying somebody undeservedly because of their nationality. That would be the very definition of racial discrimination, would it not?

You can try and talk Poole down all you like, but your constant babbling on about how sh*t we are won't make it so. It's very odd your obsession with degrading Poole... I've never seen anything like it. You jump on our threads like flies to sh*t. Your posts are so full of biased vitriol and passive aggression that there is a complete lack of respect among any of the members of this forum for you or anything you write. 

Im not saying Rome was built in a day. Im saying i would have expected the Poles to go better at the NSS then anywhere else. Cant see them doing much on the smaller tracks but i may be wrong.

Poole dont really give Brits that much of a chance if you look at the bigger picture and personally i dont see much wrong with Shanes at number 7, he is only expected to get 3 or 4 points a meeting.

I havent gone on about how sh.t Poole are and please find where i have degraded them?

Poole quite clearly have the best 1-7 on paper but titles are not won on paper.

Before a wheel was turned i said the Poles may be flaky.....Kurtz needs to step up more (which i think he will) Linus will not be as good as Hans......and there is doubts over Holder.

I agreed Poole have the best team but if im not allowed to say i felt doubts over some of the riders then whats the point of the forum? I feel riders have to perform to their ability then Poole will win the league but for me there are question marks

I would have expected Poole to do better last night on a track the riders should go well at. If they cant beat a patched up Belle Vue on a track they should enjoy , then i dont hold out much hope for them going to places like Wolves where you would expect Poole to struggle.

Im sorry if your to precious to accept other peoples opinions and feel that it has to be anti Poole if someone doesnt say they will walk the league

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As far as James Shanes goes I think he has done his job, I am sure he will improve and he fights for every point which is why he is liked so much by most Poole fans. If he could gate more consistently then that would help too.

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4 minutes ago, foreverblue said:

As far as James Shanes goes I think he has done his job, I am sure he will improve and he fights for every point which is why he is liked so much by most Poole fans. If he could gate more consistently then that would help too.

Totally agree

The Poole side was built with technically 3 riders who could be a number 1 in Kurtz, Holder and Josh which on paper is possibly the strongest top 3 in the league with Linus able to step up if need be.

Shanes is the best low averaged number 7 and if the top boys do their job he will need 3 or 4 a meeting, which im sure he will do. If Poole dont win the league it wont be down to Shanes, it will be due to one of the top boys not doing their job

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42 minutes ago, BurntFaceMan said:

  I didn't say there was anything wrong with Shanes, other than I don't rate him. Poole have given plenty of Brits a chance. A chance is an opportunity isn't it? Wouldn't you say several years in the team is more than a fair chance? 

Poole have only really given Brits a chance because of the enforced ruling about using them at reserve. Shanes is only really in because his 2 point average fits. 

Poole have certainly not supported the likes of Howarth and Newman as assets by sacking them. Wolves took a chance on Howarth and are now reaping the benefit with his best ever season at both levels in 2017 and has started 2018 with a top flight paid maximum.

I'd rather ALL clubs looked after their Brits to help them progress. Some clubs obviously do so much better than others,  Belle Vue another great example.

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2 hours ago, Steve Shovlar said:

The programme was £3. 

Fair enough, 

The version i got was basically 2 pages , the race card and a cover with Ivan on ?

Looked like It'd been knocked up last minute on a printer ?, either way as you say not very professional from BV  

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