Glasgow Vs Edinburgh KO Cup 27/05/2018

[Pinny 2,536]

24 minutes ago, BigBoaby said:

"all season long"??  All season long would be through to end of Sept and into October.  We are only in May!! 

Sarjeant, yes he is a 3 pointer, per the points limit you can't have a team of 10 pointers, so yes all teams have to have one or two low average riders, for 3 points you get a 3 point rider!!

From start of season until now. Stop nit picking.

correct me if im wrong but Sarjeant was signed on a 3 with huge expectations of becoming a 5 point rider, which will never happen again. Would get shot and give his place to a brit who doesnt touch the tapes or jump the start most weeks. Also heard he is a nightmare in the pits with his constant moaning

[SharpenRake 1,505]

5 hours ago, Pinny said:

From start of season until now. Stop nit picking.

correct me if im wrong but Sarjeant was signed on a 3 with huge expectations of becoming a 5 point rider, which will never happen again. Would get shot and give his place to a brit who doesnt touch the tapes or jump the start most weeks. Also heard he is a nightmare in the pits with his constant moaning

Think that s why cami brown was brought in as assistant manager. He has sponsored sarjeant for years even when not riding for tigers so they thought he could give him a cuddle and let Stuart dickson concentrate on tactics, talking to refs and so on. He is not having any impact on sarj and if other rumours from the pits are true the guy who helped destroy team spirit last year is at it again and if dickson couldn't prevent it last year brown certainly won't this. Anyone want to rent a speedway stadium 

[Pinny 2,536]

47 minutes ago, SharpenRake said:

Think that s why cami brown was brought in as assistant manager. He has sponsored sarjeant for years even when not riding for tigers so they thought he could give him a cuddle and let Stuart dickson concentrate on tactics, talking to refs and so on. He is not having any impact on sarj and if other rumours from the pits are true the guy who helped destroy team spirit last year is at it again and if dickson couldn't prevent it last year brown certainly won't this. Anyone want to rent a speedway stadium 

Worrall?

[JanAndersen 822]

1 hour ago, SharpenRake said:

...........Anyone want to rent a speedway stadium 

Edinburgh probably

[Dekker 239]

the 2 teams on sunday are typical of the respective managements long time philosophy regarding team building.

[Gazc 7,093]

So going by what is being said our team spirit is shot to pieces, if true that is a big worry for the owners as this was the biggest issue last season also.

What is abundantly clear some are going through the motions, if as suggested the same rider is at it again this season then there can only be one outcome to try and salvage something from the season. 

[Solidmango 188]

1 hour ago, SharpenRake said:

Think that s why cami brown was brought in as assistant manager. He has sponsored sarjeant for years even when not riding for tigers so they thought he could give him a cuddle and let Stuart dickson concentrate on tactics, talking to refs and so on. He is not having any impact on sarj and if other rumours from the pits are true the guy who helped destroy team spirit last year is at it again and if dickson couldn't prevent it last year brown certainly won't this. Anyone want to rent a speedway stadium 

Spot on re Sarj and not many people seem to realise that! 

 

I haven’t heard about the issue in the pits with a certain rider but that’s an interesting one. Is this a rumour or has it been confirmed? If true then they need to make a change!

[Solidmango 188]

18 minutes ago, Gazc said:

So going by what is being said our team spirit is shot to pieces, if true that is a big worry for the owners as this was the biggest issue last season also.

What is abundantly clear some are going through the motions, if as suggested the same rider is at it again this season then there can only be one outcome to try and salvage something from the season. 

To be fair this is the first I’ve heard of read about team spirit being an issue. Everything in all the interviews both written and video have been stating team spirit is exceptional! 

 

Noticed a a couple of people saying Richie refused to ride heat 15, what we don’t know is did he refuse or say he didn’t feel like he was fast enough. 2 massively different answers, one putting the team first and the other the opposite! 

[Mr Blobby 2,660]

Some Glasgow fans going into meltdown on their Facebook page, Harris and his wife commenting as well.

[Gazc 7,093]

25 minutes ago, Solidmango said:

To be fair this is the first I’ve heard of read about team spirit being an issue. Everything in all the interviews both written and video have been stating team spirit is exceptional! 

 

Noticed a a couple of people saying Richie refused to ride heat 15, what we don’t know is did he refuse or say he didn’t feel like he was fast enough. 2 massively different answers, one putting the team first and the other the opposite! 

You could interpret things to suit your paticular mood and our mood was rock bottom yesterday and today to a lesser extent.

To be fair the riders say team spirit is good so what is the issue then Kerr , Vissing & Thomas apart the rest have shown nothing in terms of consistency,, the biggest concern is there home form is actually worse than there away.

Without doubt looking through the plooms of dust yesterday there is problems within this team form and attitude.

Edited May 28, 2018 by Gazc

[Gazc 7,093]

2 minutes ago, Mr Blobby said:

Some Glasgow fans going into meltdown on their Facebook page, Harris and his wife commenting as well.

Dont use faceache meltdown in what way ?.

[Bagpuss 10,779]

11 minutes ago, Mr Blobby said:

Some Glasgow fans going into meltdown on their Facebook page, Harris and his wife commenting as well.

Getting emotional on social media right after a bad result is never a good idea.

[Paulco 7,075]

27 minutes ago, Bagpuss said:

Getting emotional on social media right after a bad result is never a good idea.

The downside of social media , folk quick to point the finger in the aftermath of disappointment . 

We dont want a Poole thread , so reality check time . 

Cup shocks happen in every sport , where the wee diddy team gets the big team on a bad day and springs an upset . That's all that happened yesterday , no need to panic just yet . It' how we respond to yesterday that matters , we have a toughie on Friday against Scunthorpe and that will be extremely tricky . 

AS for the cup ...........c'mon the Bandits 

Edited May 28, 2018 by Paulco

[Mr Blobby 2,660]

50 minutes ago, Gazc said:

Dont use faceache meltdown in what way ?.

Calling for riders and team manger to be sacked, Harris and his wife replying to comments where fans have had a go at his performance. 

[GS550 449]

9 hours ago, Pinny said:

From start of season until now. Stop nit picking.

correct me if im wrong but Sarjeant was signed on a 3 with huge expectations of becoming a 5 point rider, which will never happen again. Would get shot and give his place to a brit who doesnt touch the tapes or jump the start most weeks. Also heard he is a nightmare in the pits with his constant moaning

Not 'nit picking' just an observation of fact, it's hardly a whole season, we're only in May. 

Sarjeant.  No I won't correct you as 'you aren't wrong' as they say, but any rider's starting average can vary up or down, it does seem to have gone up from his 3 point starting average to 4.20 average so far - ok for those wanting everything to be as instant as instant coffee then maybe not enough of an increase or soon enough but riders on a rising average tend to rise as the season goes on, I wouldn't for a minute suggest that Sarjeant is another Jason Lyons as he simply isn't, but I well remember his 'baptism of fire' first season and he got around 5.70 or 5.80 average, the next season about this stage in the season he was from memory either still around the same or less than that and I well remember a few dissenting voices among the Tigers faithful noting as much and saying he was still at reserve, along with momentarily surprisingly Lawson was he not when Lawson's early season form and average dropped dramatically and Lawson was controversially dropped and then reinstated.  Lyons didn't seem to maintain the progress he'd made by the end of the previous season but then halfway through the season, must've been the 1991 season, it started to come together for Lyons and he made a meteoric rise from about June, but in April/May he seemed to be going backwards rather than forwards - what the dissenting voices had overlooked was that in his debut season in 1990 he was going through fences etc and not gaining many points at all and his approx. 5.7 end of 1990 season average came from his improvement and bigger points in the latter part of that season, so if you had taken his 1991 May average and compared it with his 1990 May average he had actually improved but just not on his final 1990 average, and then from memory in 1991 season he averaged somewhere in the 7.5 - 8 points zone but the bulk of that improvement had come from the second half of the season i.e. first half of season around 5 point average so to finish up with an average of around 7.5 - 8 points overall average at the end of the 1991 season, in the second half of that season he must've been scoring more like a 9 point average and I well remember in the second half of the season him overtaking Neil Evitts who at the time was an ex-England international and had a near 10 point average in Div 2 in 1991 season, but you wouldn't have predicted that of Lyons based on his performances and low-ish average during the first half of the same season.  Of course most riders aren't like Lyons though, whether its Sarjeant or any other rider.  In the case of most riders Sarjeant included, if they are to go on an improvement curve it may well have a pattern of not much change in the first half of the season and rise during the second half of the season.  We can but hope.  A factor which may have influenced the Glasgow management was that Sarjeant has some previous affinity with Glasgow and on visits to Armadale he does seem to ride for the jersey and he is loathed by the Monarchs faithful.  The other factor which may have influenced the Glasgow management to go with Sarjeant is that other 3 point options are maybe assessed average riders whereas in Sarjeant's case it was actual average and some thought he was 'sandbagging' last season at Worky and that he was on a false average and (maybe) he was worth at least a point more than that, and who knows maybe actually get a 5 point average and worth a punt - its guesswork to anticipate how riders averages will change and if it does end up a 5 point average then folk would be congratulating the Glasgow management and Worky faithful citing the aforementioned alleged 'sandbagging'.  I guess only time will tell.