New era Panthers 2,055 Posted June 18, 2018 29 minutes ago, 4thbender said: Whichever way you cut it, Sheffield have the better results performance overall: Sheffield have 13 points compared to Peterborough's 9 Sheffield have +4 "away points won minus home points lost" compared to Peterborough's +3 Sheffield have +39 points difference compared to Peterborough's +10 How could anyone with any sense suggest that Peterborough's is the better performance? You could also say teams from the southern group were denied the chance to have equal amount of matches to be able to compete with the other 2 groups and to say all this is news to you about the percentages used to calculate best second place is utter nonsense , it been banded about on here 5/6 weeks but you never heard about it. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4thbender 382 Posted June 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, New era Panthers said: it been banded about on here 5/6 weeks but you never heard about it. Where? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
New era Panthers 2,055 Posted June 18, 2018 8 minutes ago, 4thbender said: This is precisely the point that proves my argument: the team taking part in fewer matches is always going to have an unfair mathematical advantage. Teams should be judged on the results of matches that HAVE taken place and NOT the averages skewed by the number of matches that HAVEN'T taken place! I would suggest you move on you are going to get precisely nowhere , best thing for you to do is have a word with your promoter who is part of the management committee and explain you grievance as they are the ones who suggest and make the rules. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dodger Blue 146 Posted June 18, 2018 13 minutes ago, 4thbender said: This is precisely the point that proves my argument: the team taking part in fewer matches is always going to have an unfair mathematical advantage. Teams should be judged on the results of matches that HAVE taken place and NOT the averages skewed by the number of matches that HAVEN'T taken place! But the away matches HAVE taken place ..... me thinks you are tying yourself in knots!! 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4thbender 382 Posted June 18, 2018 Just now, New era Panthers said: I would suggest you move on you are going to get precisely nowhere , best thing for you to do is have a word with your promoter who is part of the management committee and explain you grievance as they are the ones who suggest and make the rules. Already have. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4thbender 382 Posted June 18, 2018 1 minute ago, Dodger Blue said: But the away matches HAVE taken place ..... me thinks you are tying yourself in knots!! Consider this: Regardless of the teams involved or the competition, if two unequal groups are vying for the spoils, the one with the least involvement is always going to have an unfair advantage. This is due to the fact that whatever the results - good or bad - to work out performance averages the scores of the team with fewer results will be divisible by 4, whereas the scores of the team with the greater number of results will be divisible by 6. Hence the skewed 2.25 v 2.167. Take it from me - a maths genious! The ONLY fair way of making comparisons is to look at actual points difference which cannot be skewed regardless of how many matches each team has taken part in. In this case, one team has a points difference of +39 and the other +10. Which team deserves to qualify? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crazyb 156 Posted June 18, 2018 What did your promoter say then. But if Sheffield had gained one more point away then they would have qualified, and they had one more chance than Peterborough. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
graz gp 184 Posted June 18, 2018 Boring. Move on.utt Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Noodles 1,337 Posted June 18, 2018 Oh dear 4thbender hasn't really thought this through has he? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv 10,695 Posted June 18, 2018 1 hour ago, 4thbender said: This is precisely the point that proves my argument: the team taking part in fewer matches is always going to have an unfair mathematical advantage. Teams should be judged on the results of matches that HAVE taken place and NOT the averages skewed by the number of matches that HAVEN'T taken place! Agree - the average match points take into account the 2 away defeats for Sheffield that HAVE taken place Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2ndbendbeerhut 1,781 Posted June 18, 2018 So Peterborough picked .... Rock And Sheffield picked .... scissors Or have I got this wrong? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bear_Bottom 516 Posted June 18, 2018 Compare Sheffield's best 2 Home matches and best 2 Away matches to P'bro? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tosh1218 591 Posted June 18, 2018 I’m sure with the northern bias in clubs the Bspa always wanted two southern and two northern sides in the semis .If in Sheffields group take out either Scunthorpe or Newcastle’s results in the group to make it a three team then you would have Example A 2 Sheffield home wins = 6 pts 1 Sheffield away win = 4pts Total 10 pts so it would be the same tally as Peterborough 2.25 PST per meeting so it would go on PST difference and I’m sure Sheffield’s would be higher so I can see why ther aggrieved and in real terms the Shield should have been two groups one of 5 teams and the other with 6 teams with the top two teams qualifying. This would have given teams more fixtures each as this season unless your successful clubs fixture lists are well down on past seasons only my opinion folks 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thornaby48 48 Posted June 18, 2018 All this could have been avoided by having one group of 5 teams, one group of 6 teams with top 2 in each group going into semi finals ____simples. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv 10,695 Posted June 18, 2018 15 minutes ago, Tosh1218 said: I’m sure with the northern bias in clubs the Bspa always wanted two southern and two northern sides in the semis .If in Sheffields group take out either Scunthorpe or Newcastle’s results in the group to make it a three team then you would have Example A 2 Sheffield home wins = 6 pts 1 Sheffield away win = 4pts Total 10 pts so it would be the same tally as Peterborough 2.25 PST per meeting so it would go on PST difference and I’m sure Sheffield’s would be higher so I can see why ther aggrieved and in real terms the Shield should have been two groups one of 5 teams and the other with 6 teams with the top two teams qualifying. This would have given teams more fixtures each as this season unless your successful clubs fixture lists are well down on past seasons only my opinion folks And if you put Scunthorpe in the Peterborough group and look at the result the Panthers got at EWR they couldve had the chance to score more points All pure conjecture in both scenarios which leaves us back with the actual situation and using the actual rules which result in Boro qualifying Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
