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17 hours ago, acef said:

It's struggling as it is with a much lower calibre of rider. It would be financial suicide for pretty much every UK club

That's the point - it IS struggling as it is. No -one is prepared to pay for the GP stars to return ( at £500 to £1,000 a point ) and it can't survive now, as it is. The only way is a lower overall calibre of rider. "Stars" will emerge from that level and you would want to see them race. That is what happens in the NL. Drew Kemp is a superstar at that level. When they get to an even higher level then Poland and Sweden are the places for them to earn a crust.

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As an EXAMPLE only this is the sort of standard we need to be looking at and charging no more than £12 entrance fee for adults and £25 a family ticket (2/2)

 

BELLE VUE - Craig Cook, Steve Worrall, Dan Bewley,  Paul Starke, Damian Drzodz, Kyle Bickley, NL 2.00

BERWICK - Josh Grajczoneck, Kevin Doolan, Aaron Summers, David Howe, N B Jacobsen, Jye Etheridge, NL 2.00

WOLVES - Rory Schlein, Kyle Howarth, Thomas Jorgensen, Luke Becker, Ashley Morris, Nathan Greaves, NL 2.00

 

With teams of this strength as an example you could run at wages that won't break the bank (see original post) and lower entrance fee to no more than £12. You still have seven riders wearing your club colours and they are not doubling up (NL only) and fans can relate to these riders much more when they are yours and not shared.

You get a varied fixture list with a different team visiting each week on your chosen race night. We have a wage bill that is affordable and as original post, the home track pays the set wages for riders from both teams using the attendance money so riders are not owed money and paid on the night they have just earned.

We see more places for British youngsters progressing and getting rides and we see just as entertaining races watching Worrall v Howarth or Howe v Becker as you do watching Doyle v Fricke or Thorssell v Bjerre. 

 

COST EFFECTIVE - RIDERS PAID - VARIED FIXTURES - YOUR RACE NIGHT - MORE BRITISH RIDERS - WEEKLY MEETINGS - YOUR TEAM

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18 minutes ago, INCOGNITO said:

As an EXAMPLE only this is the sort of standard we need to be looking at and charging no more than £12 entrance fee for adults and £25 a family ticket (2/2)

 

BELLE VUE - Craig Cook, Steve Worrall, Dan Bewley,  Paul Starke, Damian Drzodz, Kyle Bickley, NL 2.00

BERWICK - Josh Grajczoneck, Kevin Doolan, Aaron Summers, David Howe, N B Jacobsen, Jye Etheridge, NL 2.00

WOLVES - Rory Schlein, Kyle Howarth, Thomas Jorgensen, Luke Becker, Ashley Morris, Nathan Greaves, NL 2.00

 

With teams of this strength as an example you could run at wages that won't break the bank (see original post) and lower entrance fee to no more than £12. You still have seven riders wearing your club colours and they are not doubling up (NL only) and fans can relate to these riders much more when they are yours and not shared.

You get a varied fixture list with a different team visiting each week on your chosen race night. We have a wage bill that is affordable and as original post, the home track pays the set wages for riders from both teams using the attendance money so riders are not owed money and paid on the night they have just earned.

We see more places for British youngsters progressing and getting rides and we see just as entertaining races watching Worrall v Howarth or Howe v Becker as you do watching Doyle v Fricke or Thorssell v Bjerre. 

 

COST EFFECTIVE - RIDERS PAID - VARIED FIXTURES - YOUR RACE NIGHT - MORE BRITISH RIDERS - WEEKLY MEETINGS - YOUR TEAM

That Berwick side is as expensive/strong as their current 7 for which they charge £15 (already lower than the norm) and do not make any money

Cutting the price to £12 would just reduce the income (and increase losses) by £1500 a meeting  - why would they vote for one big league like that?

The BV and Wolves sides would have reduced income of £6000+ per meeting and I dont see a reduction in strength in line with that for them either

Going by current Championship averages/equivalents those teams (IMO) are about 5 points too strong for the financial elements of your proposal

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You think Thorsell, Masters & Heeps are no better than Jorgensen, Becker & NL 2 pointer? They’re at least 8 points better!

 

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22 minutes ago, DC2 said:

 

You think Thorsell, Masters & Heeps are no better than Jorgensen, Becker & NL 2 pointer? They’re at least 8 points better!

 

Thorssell 8.5, Masters 8, Heaps 4.5 = 21

Jorgensen 6, Becker 4, NL 2.00 = 12

 

a reduction of the current team by 9.00 but these are just examples and using PL averages the teams shown are roughly about the same and in the case of Grajczoneck 6.5 at Berwick he and a 2.00 replace Gappmaier 5.0 and Pjipier 3.5 so not much difference than they are now

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28 minutes ago, DC2 said:

 

You think Thorsell, Masters & Heeps are no better than Jorgensen, Becker & NL 2 pointer? They’re at least 8 points better!

 

Didnt say they werent - but those sides need a further 5 point reduction for the financials suggested

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3 minutes ago, INCOGNITO said:

Thorssell 8.5, Masters 8, Heaps 4.5 = 21

Jorgensen 6, Becker 4, NL 2.00 = 12

 

a reduction of the current team by 9.00 but these are just examples and using PL averages the teams shown are roughly about the same and in the case of Grajczoneck 6.5 at Berwick he and a 2.00 replace Gappmaier 5.0 and Pjipier 3.5 so not much difference than they are now

Josg G is closer to 9 at Championsip level on his own.....

Even by your example of not much difference Berwick cant make it pay at £15 let alone your suggesed £12

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How on earth anyone can think that Speedway in this day and age at ANY level could be offered at only a £12 admission.  Get real.

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maybe if Newcastle or Worky or whoever aren't turning up every 4 weeks with select teams more fans would come back. Berwick v BelleVue or Wolves might be quite a pull in comparison. Even the return fixtures would be a change from the usual fare.

Its all well and good poo - pooing posts but whats the alternative?

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2 minutes ago, East End Fan said:

How on earth anyone can think that Speedway in this day and age at ANY level could be offered at only a £12 admission.  Get real.

Belle Vue Colts is £10.

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6 minutes ago, Halifaxtiger said:

Belle Vue Colts is £10.

But are they making a profit? There is no way that any stand alone team would be viable at the NSS at that price.

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1 minute ago, Aces51 said:

But are they making a profit? There is no way that any stand alone team would be viable at the NSS at that price.

It would be difficult to tell given that they aren't stand alone. Their gates are comparable with most NL sides, I'd say.

Thing is if they didn't think the price was right they'd charge more - most NL tracks are 20-30% dearer.

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22 minutes ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said:

Didnt say they werent - but those sides need a further 5 point reduction for the financials suggested

It's riders wages that need reduced for the financials .!

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18 minutes ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said:

Josg G is closer to 9 at Championsip level on his own.....

Even by your example of not much difference Berwick cant make it pay at £15 let alone your suggesed £12

 

Well, maybe we are looking at 16 teams for one big league, with the current three least profitable ones (including Berwick?) dropping to the NL?

We know the likes of Orion want Polish style teams, but Poland has crowds of 10,000, not 1,000, so we have to cut our cloth.

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8 minutes ago, DC2 said:

 

Well, maybe we are looking at 16 teams for one big league, with the current three least profitable ones (including Berwick?) dropping to the NL?

We know the likes of Orion want Polish style teams, but Poland has crowds of 10,000, not 1,000, so we have to cut our cloth.

There is certainly a fair arguement for that

Can any team attracting 4-600 attendances really make even a further reduced Championship level pay?

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