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3 minutes ago, racers and royals said:

Poland who might just know a bit about how to run the sport haven’ t ever picked riders such as Protasiewcz and Hampel as track reserves !! They have always picked youngsters to give them an experience of the big stage- just shows the light years difference between the sport in the 2 countries !!!

I agree. but unless you have  a known format that everybody knows there will always be somebody who disagrees

with the choice.   If the powers  that be came out beforehand and said their reasoning for the choice of reserves

we would have a better understanding.. I totally agree with you it would be better to give a young one a chance

am not sticking up for the oldies just pointing out the system.

 

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26 minutes ago, arnieg said:

But they do seem to have moved from picking the most promising young riders to just taking the local under 21 rider. ( e.g. Liszka in Wroclaw). 

Liska is no mug and has beaten some decent riders in holding down his team place in Wroclaw this season, including Pedersen away at Zielona Gora on Sunday !!

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28 minutes ago, racers and royals said:

Liska is no mug and has beaten some decent riders in holding down his team place in Wroclaw this season, including Pedersen away at Zielona Gora on Sunday !!

Before the SON and the British Final. I went on record to say that I thought Charles Wright should be the choice for

SON ( not bomber )  it was immediately shot down in flames by an Aces supporter who went on to say he thought

Wright was a  `bang average rider `  subsequently Wright went on to win the British Final in impressive style.   In my

opinion Wright is an exiting fearless rider but everybody has their opinions and until  there is a format  laid down in stone for 

choosing the track reserves there will always be some dispute.

 

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King and Harris as reserves is a nonsense. It should be British youngsters only. 

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Seems that Craig Cook was approached about getting a reserve place for Cardiff but turned it down as he wanted to be there on merit. IMO the two reserves should be two of our younger riders, Edwards and Kemp would've been ideal especially as both qualified for the recent European Under-19 Final, maybe Dan Bewley or Leon Flint. Not quite sure what King and Harris will learn from the experience.

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With British Under - 19 Final taking place at Redcar last night, would it not have been an idea of having the top two as reserves for Cardiff.So this morning Drew Kemp and Jason Edwards would be reserves and looking forward to gaining experience at the Cardiff SGP.

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54 minutes ago, screm said:

With British Under - 19 Final taking place at Redcar last night, would it not have been an idea of having the top two as reserves for Cardiff.So this morning Drew Kemp and Jason Edwards would be reserves and looking forward to gaining experience at the Cardiff SGP.

Brit under 21 winners would make more sense.

However of the 4 finalists two are injured (Lambert & Brennan) and two retired (Thomas and Wajtknecht). That would leave semi finalists Kemp and Bewley as the Cardiff reserves.

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Most peoples formulas have Kemp as some one that should be there. I mean no disrespect to either Bomber or Kingy but I feel that they should almost be embarrassed to accept a reserve birth at thier stages of their careers. Both have won races at cardiff, so a night sat in the pits watching really does nothing for them.

But for a young talent just sitting in the pits with the gp boys would be massive experience and the opportunity to ride in front of the packed stadium would be inspirational for these lads.

Someone who finished in 5th and without the serious injury last season would of had a shot in the gp qualifiers is stevie Worrall. For him the opportunity to get a ride could put him on the radar in poland and Sweden and help his career move on to the next level.

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Neil Vatcher said on the microphone at Redcar last night that he had asked for two U-21's to be the reserves at Cardiff but was over ruled.

By whom?

He's supposed to be the S.C.B. Head so has the B.S.P.A. mafia got involved again ?

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24 minutes ago, Fortythirtyeight said:

Neil Vatcher said on the microphone at Redcar last night that he had asked for two U-21's to be the reserves at Cardiff but was over ruled.

By whom?

He's supposed to be the S.C.B. Head so has the B.S.P.A. mafia got involved again ?

Interesting comment by Neil Vatcher, because the BSPA should be nowhere near the selection. The FIM rules clearly state that it`s the federation- ie ACU - who as far as i`m aware delegate Speedway matters to the SCB.

3.6 Track Reserve Riders In each SGP Meeting, 2 Track Reserve Riders will be nominated by the FMNR to take part. Proposals must be made in writing to the FIM not later than 1 month prior to the meeting. The SGP Commission will make the final approval and nominations. After nomination, the official FIM SGP Entry Form for Wild Card & Track Reserve Riders must be duly completed and signed by the Rider and his FMN. The FMN is responsible for completing and submitting the entry form to the FIM/CCP Administration at least 2 weeks before the meeting for which the Rider has been nominated.

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The ACU would ask the SCB who are currently dictated too by the BSPA. This has happened several times over the last few years.

As nice a guy as Mr. Vatcher is , he is a ' yes ' man and has been told what to do on a number of occasions in recent times by the SCB / BSPA liaison officer , a Mr. Godfrey I believe.

Even when the SCB made a decision the same decision was ignored by said mafia and they just did what they pleased.

The ACU gave up on speedway years ago but it's about time they had a serous look at the sport and how its governed.

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Who are the bspa and who are the scb? What's the difference

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14 minutes ago, bruno said:

Who are the bspa and who are the scb? What's the difference

ROLE OF THE SCB

Formed originally in 1948, under the authority of the RAC (Royal Automobile Club) the SCB was known as the Speedway Control Board, a title that stood until 2003.

At that time, the RAC, through it’s subsidiary, the Motor Sports Association (MSA) relinquished their involvement and the Auto-Cycle Union, which was formed in 1903 had the sole responsibility in Great Britain for 2-wheeled motor sport.

Subsequently the SCB was re-named as the Speedway Control Bureau and is authorised by the Auto Cycle Union to act as the recognised Governing Body for Speedway racing in Great Britain.

Accordingly, each season  the SCB produces a Rule Book entitled The Speedway Regulations, that covers all the rules applicable to the sport in Great Britain. It is available in booklet form at a small cost from the SCB Office or as a fre download from the SCB Website www.scbgb.co.uk

Financed entirely by fees generated through the issue of Track Licences, Rider Registrations and Officials Licences the SCB seeks to act as the independent body to ensure that the BSPA, Member’s Tracks, Riders and Officials all act within the Rules and Regulations of the SCB and most importantly within the best interest of Speedway motorcycle racing.

The SCB is managed on a day to day basis by the SCB Co-ordinator (Neil Vatcher: neil@scbgb.co.uk) and an Administrator (Nikki Jameison: info@scbgb.co.uk). They are augmented in specialist areas by Track Inspectors (Alan Bridgett: alan@scbgb.co.uk & Mick Bates: mick@scbgb.co.uk) and a Technical Advisor (Jim McMillan: jim@scbgb.co.uk).

Further specialist advice concerning Medical and Environmental matters are obtained via the ACU Committees; Environmental Advisor (Peter Gregory: pgregory@ntlworld.com), Medical Panel Secretary (Debbie Walmsley:  dw@acu.org.uk)

The Bureau consists of 4 nominated Members, two representing the ACU are Tony Steele and Paul Hurry (ACU Members) whilst Rob Godfrey (BSPA Vice-Chairman) and Chris van Straaten (BSPA Promoter) represent the British Speedway Promoters Association under the independent Chairmanship of Jim Lawrence (a former speedway Referee).

 

The BSPA is an association of the active Club Promoters

 

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So if the BSPA try to introduce something ridiculous in theory the SCB can stop it?

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