WalterPlinge 657 Posted July 27, 2018 (edited) 23 minutes ago, flipper11 said: Who knows the rules but i thought you can have a guest for a missing No1 whatever the reason for him missing a match, but you can also have a guest if a 2nd rider is missing at the same time because he is riding for another team, whether that means a team in a higher league or the same league i don't no!? r/r would come into play if that 2nd rider is missing because of injury. Can have a guest for a missing No.1 whatever the reason... but I don't think either of the missing riders are the No.1 are they? From No.2 - 5 it has to be R/R first and then a guest(s) if two or more are missing. (However you can have a guest if a missing 2-5 is missing because they have a clash of bookings in the Premiership or Championship). Edited July 27, 2018 by WalterPlinge 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sings4Speedway 3,246 Posted July 27, 2018 Harsh reality is Cradley have picked the cream from the Southern group and the averages from 1st August show a 10+ point difference between the two sides. Brum are better than the performance against Plymouth and will know how the track is providing the weather stays hot. Even with an unattached 3 pointer at reserve that is largely where the difference will occur. Difficulty most neutrals want to see Cradley dumped out but if they are to have any chance of survival winning is a must and nobody wants to see a team fold even if it is the Heathens. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heathen1984 139 Posted July 27, 2018 Brummie Kev explain to me why we would need a guest for Ayres when he aint even in our chosen 1-7. Harsh reality is if we wasnt in the trophy then cradley would be finished, we know deep down some would like that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
uk_martin 1,606 Posted July 27, 2018 Shall we wait for a Brummies v Heathens thread to appear before chewing the cud over it? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heathen1984 139 Posted July 27, 2018 Cradley can av a guest for Bickley and Kemp as riding for there other clubs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WalterPlinge 657 Posted July 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, Heathen1984 said: Cradley can av a guest for Bickley and Kemp as riding for there other clubs. R/R for one and a guest for the other. Could have guests if they were riding for their Championship clubs, Workington and Ipswich, but they're not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heathen1984 139 Posted July 27, 2018 Not what ive just been told by some1 that obviously knows! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
teaboy279 1,038 Posted July 28, 2018 The rules are quite clear, 1 guest, 1 rr. Unless riders are doubling up then can be replaced by a guest regardless. Neither are doubling up so no extra facility available that I can see. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iand 133 Posted July 28, 2018 Bickley also rides for Workington and Kemp also due to start with Ipswich next month Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WalterPlinge 657 Posted July 28, 2018 (edited) 45 minutes ago, iand said: Bickley also rides for Workington and Kemp also due to start with Ipswich next month They're not doubling up in CL for Workington and Ipswich on Wednesday, so they have to use 1 x R/R and 1 x G on Wednesday. 9 hours ago, Heathen1984 said: Not what ive just been told by some1 that obviously knows! Some 1 that obviously doesn't know the rules for NL facilities: Rule 19.10 d) States that the facility for: Two Absent riders (2-5) 1 x RR and 1 x G (Team Manager's discretion) However in some case Rule 19.10 a) overrides this as it says the facility for: Any Absent Rider G (who must be in a NDL Line-Up) or RR. (If on Premiership or Championship Duty). So there you have it. Quite clear. Cradley must use 1 x RR and 1 x G under rule 19.10 d). The only way they could have had 2 guests would be if both riders were missing because of Premiership or Championship duty (which they're not). Hopefully Main Man Rogers is on top of this, or else more Brummie fans will be accusing him of incompetence and demanding his sacking. Edited July 28, 2018 by WalterPlinge Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brummies_Ste 134 Posted July 28, 2018 35 minutes ago, WalterPlinge said: They're not doubling up in CL for Workington and Ipswich on Wednesday, so they have to use 1 x R/R and 1 x G on Wednesday. Some 1 that obviously doesn't know the rules for NL facilities: Rule 19.10 d) States that the facility for: Two Absent riders (2-5) 1 x RR and 1 x G (Team Manager's discretion) However in some case Rule 19.10 a) overrides this as it says the facility for: Any Absent Rider G (who must be in a NDL Line-Up) or RR. (If on Premiership or Championship Duty). So there you have it. Quite clear. Cradley must use 1 x RR and 1 x G under rule 19.10 d). The only way they could have had 2 guests would be if both riders were missing because of Premiership or Championship duty (which they're not). Hopefully Main Man Rogers is on top of this, or else more Brummie fans will be accusing him of incompetence and demanding his sacking. So what about the 8 day rule Perks & Bowtell both rode for Plymouth on Wednesday & both in Cradleys declared team is this legal ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeilWatson 1,988 Posted July 28, 2018 1 minute ago, Brummies_Ste said: So what about the 8 day rule Perks & Bowtell both rode for Plymouth on Wednesday & both in Cradleys declared team is this legal ? The 8-day rule applies to guest appearances not to riders in a 1-7. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brummies_Ste 134 Posted July 28, 2018 1 minute ago, NeilWatson said: The 8-day rule applies to guest appearances not to riders in a 1-7. Thank you Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WalterPlinge 657 Posted July 28, 2018 3 minutes ago, Brummies_Ste said: So what about the 8 day rule Perks & Bowtell both rode for Plymouth on Wednesday & both in Cradleys declared team is this legal ? Perks and Bowtell aren't guesting on Wednesday. They're in the Cradley 1-7. So both are perfectly legal. Perks didn't guest last Wednesday either. He was in the Plymouth 1-7 (so he would have been perfectly entitled to guest for someone this week). Bowtell guested last week for Plymouth, so he wouldn't have been eligible to guest for anyone at Birmingham this week. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
adonis 1,454 Posted July 28, 2018 36 minutes ago, WalterPlinge said: They're not doubling up in CL for Workington and Ipswich on Wednesday, so they have to use 1 x R/R and 1 x G on Wednesday. Some 1 that obviously doesn't know the rules for NL facilities: Rule 19.10 d) States that the facility for: Two Absent riders (2-5) 1 x RR and 1 x G (Team Manager's discretion) However in some case Rule 19.10 a) overrides this as it says the facility for: Any Absent Rider G (who must be in a NDL Line-Up) or RR. (If on Premiership or Championship Duty). So there you have it. Quite clear. Cradley must use 1 x RR and 1 x G under rule 19.10 d). The only way they could have had 2 guests would be if both riders were missing because of Premiership or Championship duty (which they're not). Hopefully Main Man Rogers is on top of this, or else more Brummie fans will be accusing him of incompetence and demanding his sacking. I would like to see the rules changed a bit . for trophy only teams where possible they should be made up from people who cannot commit to a full season , there's a few lads who would want to keep their hand in .without having to ride twice a week , Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
