BobC 664 Posted July 27, 2018 6 minutes ago, Halifaxtiger said: I have heard 5. Ive had that said to me by a current Promoter! Hes not amused at the thought of 6 man teams either. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Halifaxtiger 5,318 Posted July 27, 2018 1 minute ago, BobC said: Ive had that said to me by a current Promoter! Hes not amused at the thought of 6 man teams either. I think we can get away with 6, Bob. After all, it happens a lot anyway. 5 I am not so certain about. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Najjer 2,884 Posted July 27, 2018 1 BIGGER league? That sounds a great idea. 1 big league though? No, it won't work and will end up closing several tracks down aswell as an embarrassment of not having enough riders to fill the teams. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Cheese 2,022 Posted July 27, 2018 5 man teams would be ridiculous but if they went down that route you'd hope they at least have the sense to get rid of R/R. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GWC 495 Posted July 27, 2018 It’s probably no coincidence that speedway renaissance in 1965 came about through cooperation of promoters and a realistic approach to team strengths. It will need strong leadership to bring about the changes needed to kick the sport into another total reorganisation. Who will lead it ? 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GWC 495 Posted July 27, 2018 13 minutes ago, The Cheese said: 5 man teams would be ridiculous but if they went down that route you'd hope they at least have the sense to get rid of R/R. It might be needed to get the league going and if you have r/r as well effectively giving you 6 plus a NL reserve. It will provide more rides too. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Crump99 4,474 Posted July 27, 2018 1 hour ago, StevePark said: With the exception of Belle Vue, you could argue that the Premiership is a Southern League anyway, add to that, you could argue the Championship is a Northern League, with the exception of Peterborough (?), Ipswich and Lakeside. I'd always class us as south but did go to watch Posh once at The Dell and the Southampton fans were calling us you dirty northern b'stards so it can be a bit hit and miss it would seem. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MattK 3,447 Posted July 27, 2018 Why would Championship clubs agree to one big league? It is likely to increase their costs without any increase in revenues. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikebv 10,243 Posted July 27, 2018 (edited) A good template to use may be something based on the US Conference system...? Maybe 16 teams, five riders per team? = 80 riders needed.. (Meaning plenty of subs on the bench for injuries).. North and South Conferences 8 teams in each... Home and Away twice in your own Conference (more local opposition) delivers 28 Matches, and then one match home and away v each team in the other Conference (16 Matches)... Meaning 22 Home matches and 44 Matches in Total per team.. A max of £5k per night, per team, salary ranging from £1500 to the No1 to £500 to the No5.. Meaning £220k income needed to pay riders for the regular season. An average crowd of 900 adults would deliver £297,000 (inc vat) at £15 admission... Top four in each Conference play off v the other Conference top four Home and Away, eg First in North v Fourth in South, First in South v Fourth in North etc.. Using the Top Fours should hopefully keep most teams interested for most of their Season.. Finalists would have therefore a total of 50 matches, with effectively Three play off home matches to hopefully generate 'better than 900' crowds... Maybe run each meeting with an advertised £10k Prize rather than just paying out the £10k in Salary to both teams..? Much better for marketing purposes... In fact advertise the Prize Money for the League as the TOTAL of ALL the matches that make the League up, (it will run into MILLIONS)... Not 'small time' that level of Prize Money!... Now THAT would make people sit up and take notice of the Sport!! And more 'proper' matches against local opposition has to be the way forward surely if 'team speedway' is going to continue? And plenty of 'subs on the bench' can replace injured riders or off form riders (just like other Sports do) which can only deliver the credibility oh so lacking when 'guestfests' take place. Two Conferences would bring variety too... Who knows? Maybe the 16 teams could market themselves collectively like the US Conference Leagues do? eg, Sharing all production costs of a range of bespoke branded merchandising nationally and therefore share the sales income too? Producing merchandise for 16 teams will deliver a mucn better purchase cost price and profit margin than each track doing it individually and each product can be 'branded' the same apart from the Club Insignia.... Whatever the way forward.. Each club will need to recognise that their business can only be successful if the businesses of their opponents are at least sustainable, and egos may need to be reigned in somewhat too when it comes to aligning yourself with certain levels of riders. The level of rider YOU may want to have in your team may not be affordable for the collective so compromise will be needed... 16 teams coming to the tapes at the start of the season all with a reasonable shout of the 8 play off places would be the utopian outlook I would suggest... Whether it can be worked out as a collective, honestly and fairly, and without anyone getting 'stiched up' is obviously open to debate... Edited July 27, 2018 by mikebv Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ouch 1,191 Posted July 27, 2018 17 minutes ago, MattK said: Why would Championship clubs agree to one big league? It is likely to increase their costs without any increase in revenues. There’s no way Championship clubs are going to track the likes of Cook, Morris, Schlein & Nicholls at number one as it would sink them. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MattK 3,447 Posted July 27, 2018 1 minute ago, ouch said: There’s no way Championship clubs are going to track the likes of Cook, Morris, Schlein & Nicholls at number one as it would sink them. What is the difference between their Premiership and Championship points money? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GWC 495 Posted July 27, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, ouch said: There’s no way Championship clubs are going to track the likes of Cook, Morris, Schlein & Nicholls at number one as it would sink them. Er isn’t that what Glasgow Peterborough Lakeside Ipswich .......,, hmm nice one! You are assuming teams would be PL strength but no way will that happen as more like ALL teams will need to be a bit like CL with some a strong number one and some stronger through the team. Edited July 27, 2018 by GWC 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ouch 1,191 Posted July 27, 2018 23 minutes ago, MattK said: What is the difference between their Premiership and Championship points money? Two of them, as close as to make no odds. Don’t know about the other two. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisa-colette 6,018 Posted July 27, 2018 2 hours ago, Crump99 said: I'd always class us as south but did go to watch Posh once at The Dell and the Southampton fans were calling us you dirty northern b'stards so it can be a bit hit and miss it would seem. Apart from Brighton and AFCB everyone is northern to us Saints fans! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Starman2006 2,354 Posted July 27, 2018 12 minutes ago, lisa-colette said: Apart from Brighton and AFCB everyone is northern to us Saints fans! I suddenl;y feel sick Lisa, cant think why .. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
