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5 hours ago, bill94d said:

what the referee did last night was correct. Woofy was a bike length back when the clock ran out. 

It seems that this is the refs and the FIMs interpretation of the rule, the race didn’t start and someone has to be excluded because of it and woffy was a metre back, the other weren’t ready but were at the tapes , it does seem unfair on woffinden but I’m all for strict rules and riders do mess about too much 

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16 minutes ago, Vince said:

Appalling decision by the Ref that gives every appearance of being corrupt but the whole start situation was made worse by a start marshall who must have wanted his 15 minutes of fame. He was such a pain in the arse that by that stage of the meeting everybody had learned to ignore him.

I do wonder if the start Marshall was just doing what he was told.

This GP was dreadful although clearly a fair bit of that was down to the weather which had left the track in a dreadful state, but from the gate processions do nothing to encourage support in fact rather the opposite.

Unfortunately with little racing last night it highlighted a dreadful decision by a referee and this isn’t the first dreadful mistake by a referee this year. The FIM need to get a grip on this now because poor GP,s and poor referees make for poor attendances.

If the FIM have tightened up on gardening at the start then they should come clean and say so.

Last nights GP hasn’t exactly tempted me to attend Krsko in the future which is a shame because friends have enjoyed GP,s there in the past.

 

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6 minutes ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said:

It seems that this is the refs and the FIM decision, the race didn’t start and someone has to be excluded because of it and woffy was a meter back, the other weren’t ready but were at the tapes , it does seem unfair on woffinden but I’m all for strict rules and riders do mess about too much 

Just excuses from the ref and the FIM, the rule states that riders must be at the gate ready to race inside the 2 minute time allowed, 3 riders were not ready to race, 3 riders should of been excluded but that would of made a mockery of the sport so they chose Woffy as a scapegoat, as he was furthest away from the tapes.

IMHO all 4 riders must make their way to the tapes when told to, no gardening allowed and the race starts. End of. 

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10 minutes ago, hyderd said:

Just excuses from the ref and the FIM, the rule states that riders must be at the gate ready to race inside the 2 minute time allowed, 3 riders were not ready to race, 3 riders should of been excluded but that would of made a mockery of the sport so they chose Woffy as a scapegoat, as he was furthest away from the tapes.

IMHO all 4 riders must make their way to the tapes when told to, no gardening allowed and the race starts. End of. 

It was harsh but I think it’s good to see that the FIM are starting to get tough on unneeded excess in the sport, But consistent is needed, the others weren’t ready but what would the reaction be if all 4 had been excluded ? They need to set an example that it won’t be tolerated and with woffy being a meter back he was the example, I suppose it’s abit like when there is a crash involving all 4 riders and nobody is really at fault but the rule says someone has to be excluded 

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On another note does Jason Doyle get a consistancy medal or something if he gets a warning in every GP?

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3 minutes ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said:

On another note does Jason Doyle get a consistancy medal or something if he gets a warning in every GP?

Nobody quite worked out why he got last night's warning.

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The restrained comment by Woffinden "It is what it is".....so what was "it"?  Probably something he would get into trouble for, had he said it. In which case the missing word is probably "bent".

 

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There are those people who say all tracks should be big and have plenty of dirt on them to get great racing, well last night had both 

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Terrible meeting, worse then others that have been held there.  The track material looked peculiar, wonder if that added to a poor racing surface.  The organisers need to take a good look at themselves for taking a GP to tracks such as Krsko.  Its good to take the world championship to different countries but its all a balance, and tracks that can be raced MUST be one of the top priorities.

Really pleased to see Holder back to being in the action, and on a difficult track.. On the other hand, sad to see Emil struggling, ok, when he gated he did what others did - clear off.  Its going to be really tight when giving out wild cards.  If thins stay the same with Holder and Emil, I can see Holder getting a WC and Emil not.

As for the referee, started bad when he gave Doyle a tape warning when it didn't seem he moved.  But then to exclude TW. Riders had been messing about all night at the tapes - doing gardening to an excess, yet he takes out Tai in that race under those circumstances.  Via Phil Morris he could have given all 16 riders (+2 reserves) that delaying the start will have its consequences.  Tai was no worse then many others, including other riders in THAT race, yet he was the one he made an example of.. Bad move by the referee, a Polish ref excluding the leader of the championship when 2 of his closest rivals were in the same race, and worse still those two were Polish.  Fortunately Zmarzlik could not take full advantage of the situation and take more points, but some damage was done.   IF Zmarzlik wins the championship by 1 or 2 points, everyone will remember the day of poor referring, much to Zmarzliks disadvantage.

Like Cardiff, Cookie did not have the best of luck, he should have ended up with more points then he did.

Lets hope the last two meetings bring the racing the riders and fans want.

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This is just another case of referees applying the rules in an inconsistent fashion.

Like many on here. I've seen lots of new rules introduced over the years. Some of these have been controversial, even downright unpopular. But at the end of the day it isn't the rules that cause the problems it's the referees application of them. Consistency is the watch word. 

What happened last night was job's worth and we all know it. There have been countless examples of riders "not being read to race" after the clock ticks to zero. Many examples could be seen last night. Of course you have to define what being "ready to race" means. Taking last night as an example, the starting marshal seemed to be determined to have the riders within a gnat's whatsis of his idea of where the riders should be. So where he was calling riders forward after the clock had gone to zero, were all those riders subject to exclusion. Of course not. We'd have had more exclusions than not. Forget that heat 16 last night was the most mouth watering line up at that point in the championship you could imagine, every race counts in the GP series. A bloody silly exclusion of any rider in any race is significant, by definition. 

Bartosz Zmarzlik beats Tai Woffinden by 1 point to win the World Championship on 6th October and guess what everyone will be talking about?

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14 minutes ago, OveFundinFan said:

IF Zmarzlik wins the championship by 1 or 2 points, everyone will remember the day of poor referring, much to Zmarzliks disadvantage.

Great minds eh?

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1 hour ago, bill94d said:

Time to outlaw all this gardening once and for all. The 2 minute rule should be applied, that is ready to race and what the referee did last night was correct. Woofy was a bike length back when the clock ran out. There should be a line some distance back from the start. You cross that and you are under the start marshalls orders and no gardening. You must cross that line in the 2 minutes. always thought gardening was the worst thing about modern speedway.

Think you need to understand the rules before commenting.

Its irrelevant if your at the tapes, 5 metres back, 10 metres back , turned around and rode back, if your not ready to race your not ready to race.

Tai wasnt ready to race when the 2 minutes finished...................but neither were the other 3, Janowski certainly wasnt he was still gardening, its irrelevant that he was closer to the tapes than Tai was, he still wasnt lined up ready to race.

Tai had actually just sat back and let the Poles either side do there gardening , technically he was more ready to race then both of those.

By your definition you can be at the tapes , off your bike gardening , but thats ok...............it isnt your still not ready to race as the rules state

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16 minutes ago, Gavan said:

Think you need to understand the rules before commenting.

Its irrelevant if your at the tapes, 5 metres back, 10 metres back , turned around and rode back, if your not ready to race your not ready to race.

Tai wasnt ready to race when the 2 minutes finished...................but neither were the other 3, Janowski certainly wasnt he was still gardening, its irrelevant that he was closer to the tapes than Tai was, he still wasnt lined up ready to race.

Tai had actually just sat back and let the Poles either side do there gardening , technically he was more ready to race then both of those.

By your definition you can be at the tapes , off your bike gardening , but thats ok...............it isnt your still not ready to race as the rules state

PRETTY well spot on. It was a decision the referee didn't have to make. The riders were actually ready when he put on the exclusion light. He should simply have got on with starting the race and nobody would have been none the wiser. Also agree it was a very poor SGP. 

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Something fishy for sure. In my opinion the vigorous gesticulating of the rider in Yellow, to the referee was instrumental in Tai’s exclusion. 

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43 minutes ago, Gavan said:

Think you need to understand the rules before commenting.

Its irrelevant if your at the tapes, 5 metres back, 10 metres back , turned around and rode back, if your not ready to race your not ready to race.

Tai wasnt ready to race when the 2 minutes finished...................but neither were the other 3, Janowski certainly wasnt he was still gardening, its irrelevant that he was closer to the tapes than Tai was, he still wasnt lined up ready to race.

Tai had actually just sat back and let the Poles either side do there gardening , technically he was more ready to race then both of those.

By your definition you can be at the tapes , off your bike gardening , but thats ok...............it isnt your still not ready to race as the rules state

Don't understand your reasoning. How can you be "ready to race" 10 metres back? He wasn't "ready". Agreed the others weren't either but that is another discussion. I'm against all this gardening that goes on. 

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