Hamish McRaker 601 Posted October 31, 2018 12 hours ago, A ORLOV said: They can be as I understand they are a building of historic interest. As are those who use them, so I am informed:-) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mafiarule 12 Posted November 1, 2018 13 hours ago, cityrebel said: Anyone can stick a few pegs in the ground. It would be nice to have some photographic evidence of the work actually starting. It's the least the Swindon fans deserve. I'm sure lord Rockwall will post something sometime Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PHILIPRISING 7,298 Posted November 1, 2018 IN Speedway Star this week Alun Rossiter says that Doyley (Jason) is still "owned" by Swindon. Is he just some sort of commodity or a human being? Very much doubt that Jason accepts he is "owned" by anybody and nor should he. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
poolebolton 464 Posted November 1, 2018 1 minute ago, PHILIPRISING said: IN Speedway Star this week Alun Rossiter says that Doyley (Jason) is still "owned" by Swindon. Is he just some sort of commodity or a human being? Very much doubt that Jason accepts he is "owned" by anybody and nor should he. Think that just sport lingo. In football, cricket and rugby etc you own the person so think that just ingo. Don't look into that comment to much. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
orion 7,612 Posted November 1, 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, poolebolton said: nThink that just sport lingo. In football, cricket and rugby etc you own the person so think that just ingo. Don't look into that comment to much. Quite ..you would think that Phil would have had better things to do than pick up on a minor choice of words . Edited November 1, 2018 by orion 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PHILIPRISING 7,298 Posted November 2, 2018 1 hour ago, orion said: Quite ..you would think that Phil would have had better things to do than pick up on a minor choice of words . BUT it's not ... riders are considered assets who can be loaned or sold. They are not. They have no contract so can do as they please and it is time British speedway broke the mould and accepted the same freedom of movement that occurs in Denmark, Poland and Sweden to name but three. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
poolebolton 464 Posted November 2, 2018 6 minutes ago, PHILIPRISING said: BUT it's not ... riders are considered assets who can be loaned or sold. They are not. They have no contract so can do as they please and it is time British speedway broke the mould and accepted the same freedom of movement that occurs in Denmark, Poland and Sweden to name but three. Can’t be like Poland. Poland is too official. Transfer fees are involved. That used to happen in UK until the sport had no money. Coventry paid £60K for Hans A. Just bring in a squad system so assets can be used to the point where they are valid. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PHILIPRISING 7,298 Posted November 2, 2018 3 hours ago, poolebolton said: Can’t be like Poland. Poland is too official. Transfer fees are involved. That used to happen in UK until the sport had no money. Coventry paid £60K for Hans A. Just bring in a squad system so assets can be used to the point where they are valid. ASSETS have no legal basis. A rider without a contract is a free agent. In Poland if a club wants to sign a rider under contract to another track a transfer fee could be involved. But if he has no contract then he can sign for who he wants. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikebv 10,243 Posted November 2, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, PHILIPRISING said: ASSETS have no legal basis. A rider without a contract is a free agent. In Poland if a club wants to sign a rider under contract to another track a transfer fee could be involved. But if he has no contract then he can sign for who he wants. Another one of those "Speedway Bubble" strange operating model inclusions that are allowed to happen... No relevance or credibility in the 'real world' but in Speedway (British Speedway), "there is no other way" so everyone runs along with it, and hope, no doubt, that no one will ever question it... You have a contract with someone and fulfill that contract, when it comes to an end you finish working for them. You can then decide to go and work wherever you want/can... But not in British Speedway.. What a strange (and often ridiculous) way the Sport in this Country has of running itself across the breadth of its operating model.... Yet it seems to make 'perfect sense' to those who find themselves within "The Bubble"..!... Edited November 2, 2018 by mikebv Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theblueboy 960 Posted November 2, 2018 (edited) 11 hours ago, PHILIPRISING said: IN Speedway Star this week Alun Rossiter says that Doyley (Jason) is still "owned" by Swindon. Is he just some sort of commodity or a human being? Very much doubt that Jason accepts he is "owned" by anybody and nor should he. It’s an unfortunate choice of word for Rosco to have used but as the current system stands that’s probably how it’s seen. I do agree, however, that JD is self employed and that technically he has no master and serves which ever teams he pleases. The asset system should be one of the items on the agenda for discussion to bring the ‘ownership’ of riders in to 21st century. The current rules are a nonsense. All riders should be tied to the governing authority of UK speedway only. Negotiations should be done on an annual or bi-annual basis depending on length of contract offered and the rider returned to the pool at the end of it. The governing authority would be responsible for ‘transparency’ in such matters and clearly defining the contract position. In addition, they should look at all riders currently riding in the world as at today’s date and assigning them a UK average. Either based on an average obtained in the UK previously or if they are new to the UK, an assessed one. These averages should also be published before the start of the season, so everyone is fully aware and also defining their contract position within the UK irrespective of whether they are riding here or not. Averages written on the back of a packet of Swan Vestas and made known to 3 or 4 people is not acceptable! Who would have thought that this would be so bloody difficult... Edited November 2, 2018 by theblueboy Poor grammar! 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MARK246 243 Posted November 2, 2018 9 hours ago, PHILIPRISING said: BUT it's not ... riders are considered assets who can be loaned or sold. They are not. They have no contract so can do as they please and it is time British speedway broke the mould and accepted the same freedom of movement that occurs in Denmark, Poland and Sweden to name but three. All that will do is undermine the valuations of the club's currently up for sale. With no assets all promoters have to sell are second-hand tractors and worthless BSPA members tickets. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reliant Robin 492 Posted November 2, 2018 6 hours ago, PHILIPRISING said: ASSETS have no legal basis. A rider without a contract is a free agent. In Poland if a club wants to sign a rider under contract to another track a transfer fee could be involved. But if he has no contract then he can sign for who he wants. And go to the highest bidder. Scrapping the asset system would result in even higher costs for Clubs.....those Clubs that anyone can see must be struggling financially. It would mean more money out of Clubs and more into the riders. Speedway in the UK has far bigger issues than the 'asset system'. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DBP 64 Posted November 2, 2018 (edited) Why is it that riders are signed for life, in football a player signs for say 3 or 5 years then he either signs another contract or is free to walk and find another club. Edited November 2, 2018 by DBP Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steve0 5,517 Posted November 2, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, MARK246 said: All that will do is undermine the valuations of the club's currently up for sale. With no assets all promoters have to sell are second-hand tractors and worthless BSPA members tickets. Which is why their valuations are ludicrous! Someone mentioned £500K for Poole - for what? The rights to promote speedway in that area? It only takes one rider to challenge the asset system for it to be deemed illegal (and therefore no value in club asset terms) Edited November 2, 2018 by Steve0 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A ORLOV 8,628 Posted November 2, 2018 (edited) 39 minutes ago, Steve0 said: Which is why their valuations are ludicrous! Someone mentioned £500K for Poole - for what? The rights to promote speedway in that area? It only takes one rider to challenge the asset system for it to be deemed illegal (and therefore no value in club asset terms) Said a while ago the riders are worth virtually nothing as they can decide to stop riding or just ride abroad or pack the sport in due to an injury. So the value is a couple of tractors etc and the shale on the track plus a bit of goodwill for the clubs name. The only other value would be if the club owned its track or a minor amount if leased. I can see if one club wishes to pay another for the use of a rider they had trained up then fine but they do not have an "asset". Edited November 2, 2018 by A ORLOV Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
