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Maybe this year with the GP series all over by early October- the FIM could have spiced things up with the challenge in October featuring the bottom 7 against 9 others to see who qualified in 2019

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1 minute ago, racers and royals said:

Maybe this year with the GP series all over by early October- the FIM could have spiced things up with the challenge in October featuring the bottom 7 against 9 others to see who qualified in 2019

Alternatively using top 3 in SEC as the qualifiers, rather than a one off challenge event 

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1 hour ago, Grand Central said:

An attitude that is understandable.

And it is also equally understandable when it is entirely ignored.

As was the case with Emil.

TRUE but they have moved on from there and feel that the qualifiers could become superfluous if riders were just chosen at random. 

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6 minutes ago, PHILIPRISING said:

TRUE but they have moved on from there and feel that the qualifiers could become superfluous if riders were just chosen at random. 

Or is it more that you can't compare Madsen with Emil as a series drawcard?

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1 hour ago, OveFundinFan said:

But not all countries are available to enter SEC, so something would have to change

Agree somethings would have to change. But the idea of a series to qualify means you are more likely to have stronger riders taking the qualifying spots (this season has not been an issue, not much quality difference between Nki kolodziej Lindback vs Madsen Hampel Lambert.)

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2 hours ago, PHILIPRISING said:

TRUE but they have moved on from there and feel that the qualifiers could become superfluous if riders were just chosen at random. 

No doubt they would.

But that was as true 'then' as it is 'now'.

If there was a guy outside the SGP who was good enough to mix it with the SGP top 8, had star quality,  real pulling power and just happened to be the right nationality to add to the series .. Then considerations about whether or not be did the qualifiers would miraculously turn to dust and he would be offered a place.

And rightly.

Just like they did with Emil.

But that is not Madsen ... Or any one else. At the moment. 

 

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I think the jig is up for Holder, Pawlicki and Cook. So if you consider those 3 are replaced by the SGP challenge riders

Doyle I think is protected as 2017 champion. So for me the debate would be is there any rider out there that would improve on Zagar, Pedersen, & Vaculik assuming that positions stay the same., but the same thing could be said if Laguta, Hancock, Emil find themselves outside the top 8. 

So looking at it would you prefer Madsen or Lambert over any of the riders named above? I think dumping Pedersen would be a bad idea as he's total box office. So for me it just leaves just Vaculik (who's on fire) and Zagar who is basically doing what he did in 2017!

I think a good season in the Extraliga for Lambert in 2019 would set him up for 2020

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It is a perennial problem. It's like a pyramid really. At the very top are just a few outstanding riders but as you get lower down the order the numbers widen out. By the time you get past the top five or six, the next layer widens out more and more, so by the time you get to around numbers nine to twelve, there is a much wider pool who could be considered.

Assuming no. 9 gets a wild card, as has invariably been the case (I believe it's only not happened once, though I'm open to correction on that), the three others chosen are not going to be significantly better than any other three from that ever widening pool of riders. As we have seen above, a case can be made for at least five or six riders, maybe more, and there is no real definitive answer to this. 

The only way it could be solved is for all the seven riders after the automatic eight to go through some sort of qualifying system, whether the current system or the bottom seven versus a qualified nine. Otherwise this dilemma will happen every year. Even this has its problems, because it doesn't account for injuries, but then neither did the old one-off type of World Final. 

But then, of course, if it was all done through qualifiers, we wouldn't have endless fun speculating who might be chosen.

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Hancock will cause a headache should he not finish in the top 8. No problem if he wasn't with Monster BUT!!!!!!!

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36 minutes ago, Fromafar said:

Hancock will cause a headache should he not finish in the top 8. No problem if he wasn't with Monster BUT!!!!!!!

Why would he cause a headache? If he finishes 9th or 10th he'll get a wild card. Because he deserves it by being better, imo, than alternative wildcard candidates. 

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I don't get this sh#t about 9th & 10 th getting wildcard,what's the point of saying Top8.Just pick who they want every year then Top 8 or not.Only in speedway do they cause their own problems.

e.g.

there is no way Holder should have been selected this year on previous years form.

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6 hours ago, Fromafar said:

there is no way Holder should have been selected this year on previous years form.

Too right.

It seems to have been forgotten just what a daft pick he was last year and just how many people here were arguing against it on good grounds.

Only to hear of his 'surprise' pick by the totally independent FIM.

No outside considerations were made, of course, it was done entirely on merit. 

 

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8th 9th, 10th or 11th is only a couple of points different normally.    No need to change riders for the sake of it.    If Zagar, Pedersen, Vaculik are in those positions (9 to 11) they have to ride again in 2019 as they are proven to be very capable of winning a GP.     There will be riders in the top 8 who haven't got close to winning a GP.

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12 minutes ago, Grand Central said:

Too right.

It seems to have been forgotten just what a daft pick he was last year and just how many people here were arguing against it on good grounds.

Only to hear of his 'surprise' pick by the totally independent FIM.

No outside considerations were made, if course, it was done entirely on merit. 

 

A monster error in fact:P

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