Coventry_Bee 467 Posted August 27, 2018 I have been thinking about the amount of meetings won by reserves huge scores. Take today when the Poole reserve wins heat 15 ? There could be a valid and obvious answer to this but what is the actual need for a reserve pairing in modern speedway? Apart from average/team fiddling that we go through year in and year out why not have 6 rider teams and no reserve riders as such. The amount of results where the in form reserve has had 7 rides and scored a silly amount of points and is near enough the teams top scorer. How can this be good for the sport? Along with a cap on team changes through the year to say 3 maximum. like I say, might be valid reasons out there be good to understand more? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chadster 221 Posted August 27, 2018 In the early years of the 13 heat format teams had only one reserve, programmed to have two rides. The change was made to two reserves in 1969. This might have been linked to the insistence on excluding tape breakers and the need for more reserves to cover the extra rides. Now that starting offences can be penalised by putting the offender off 15 yards it might be worth looking again at the need for two reserves. Giving the reserve two protected rides, as used to be the case, might be a way to introduce, or re-introduce, a fast-track system. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gemini 4,894 Posted August 27, 2018 I don't know but we at Leicester were grateful for our reserve tonight who had 7 rides and was top scorer with 15 points. Saved us from a worse thrashing than losing by 10 points. Thank you Nicolaj Busk Jakobsen who again piled up the points guesting for the Lions. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IronScorpion 1,407 Posted August 28, 2018 Another example of reserves winning meetings is now at Workington, a former no1 is now a reserve & beating riders that he couldn't do before. It is also about team building & Newcastle & Berwick are proving that you don't need no1's but strength in depth to win meetings as their reserves, between them, often score 15+. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thornaby48 48 Posted August 28, 2018 Surely the reserve berths are also there to allow the better juniors an easy way into the team rather than chucking them in at 1-5 . 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BangerBoy 47 Posted August 28, 2018 2 hours ago, Thornaby48 said: Surely the reserve berths are also there to allow the better juniors an easy way into the team rather than chucking them in at 1-5 . Am I missing something here but is reserve riders the 2 lowest average in the team overall so somebody has to replace riders that get excluded or injured during a meeting? If a "reserve" has a couple of good meetings they won't there for long anyway. If it works for a while for the team then hey ho Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tsunami 10,219 Posted August 28, 2018 17 minutes ago, BangerBoy said: Am I missing something here but is reserve riders the 2 lowest average in the team overall so somebody has to replace riders that get excluded or injured during a meeting? If a "reserve" has a couple of good meetings they won't there for long anyway. If it works for a while for the team then hey ho The thing you are missing might be that if the reserve berths are used correctly, in a Fast track system the reserves could be protected and stay at reserve regardless. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skidder1 7,636 Posted August 28, 2018 That'll be a fast track system in the |Championship would it?! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tsunami 10,219 Posted August 28, 2018 1 hour ago, Skidder1 said: That'll be a fast track system in the |Championship would it?! It should be. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blackadder 280 Posted August 28, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, BangerBoy said: Am I missing something here but is reserve riders the 2 lowest average in the team overall so somebody has to replace riders that get excluded or injured during a meeting? If a "reserve" has a couple of good meetings they won't there for long anyway. If it works for a while for the team then hey ho. Quote The problem is that they don't issue new averages quickly enough, so potent reserves such as Tai Woffinden at Rye House and probably Drew Kemp next year, give their team a huge advantage. Edited August 28, 2018 by Blackadder Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Daniel Smith 5,661 Posted August 29, 2018 The dont think need for reserves is necessary any more. I'd still keep it 7 man teams, make the top 2 rider's at 1 & 5, and the 2 lowest at 6 & 7. With current rules, we now have R/R and I/R/R. The only change I'd make to the rules is that I/R/R is allowed if a team is using R/R already. Each rider can only take 1 ride. Also, with R/R and I/R/R it should be 2 rider's with a higher or the same average and all rider's with a lower average. This then would (If the No7 was injured) only leave 1 heat with 3 rider's only. But if a team uses I/R/R that injured rider is sidelined for 8 days minimum. This way, the need for reserves to take 7 rides is unnecessary to the sport, and rightly so. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv 10,706 Posted August 29, 2018 The regs this year do allow IRR when RR is already in operation Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oldtimer 340 Posted August 29, 2018 I have never understood why reserves are allowed 7 rides, it's a farce when a rider can be in nearly half the races. If you have two reserves with a max of 6 rides each, that would give you 2 rides each outside of their programme rides, if you had a rider injured in the first heat you have only got that riders 3 other rides to cover and you would still have a spare ride in the rare event of a reserve having a tactical ride. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thornaby48 48 Posted August 29, 2018 34 minutes ago, oldtimer said: I have never understood why reserves are allowed 7 rides, it's a farce when a rider can be in nearly half the races. If you have two reserves with a max of 6 rides each, that would give you 2 rides each outside of their programme rides, if you had a rider injured in the first heat you have only got that riders 3 other rides to cover and you would still have a spare ride in the rare event of a reserve having a tactical ride. Unless I am mistaken all riders can have 7 rides. 4 programmed rides,1 tac.sub.,1 r/r, and1 nominated rider. I do agree that this is too many rides for anyone. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RS50 359 Posted August 29, 2018 1 hour ago, oldtimer said: I have never understood why reserves are allowed 7 rides, it's a farce when a rider can be in nearly half the races. If you have two reserves with a max of 6 rides each, that would give you 2 rides each outside of their programme rides, if you had a rider injured in the first heat you have only got that riders 3 other rides to cover and you would still have a spare ride in the rare event of a reserve having a tactical ride. Possibility because a reserve may get injured in race 2 and the other reserve will need to cover his remaining three races. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites