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49 minutes ago, Icicle said:

Have always felt if it was sold as "15 races for £15 " i.e. £1 per race it does not sound bad....,..,

Make sure you don`t tell them that the race last`s a minute. :)

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£10 for 15 heats - that often means 3 real races ( especially to the newbie ) sounds about right. The horse has bolted and cannot be pulled back whatever we do ( unless what we do is very radical regarding the on-track excitement part of the equation ).

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11 hours ago, Speedtiger said:

Good question! I hear people saying uk speedway admission is generally overpriced and should be £10. But compared with other sports £18 to £22 range is good value.

The track and racing at BV is so good I think the admission is very fair.

I certainly don’t think the admission cost is to blame for the mess Speedway is in! 

As said many times before Speedway isn't comparable to most sports. The action time vs cost is getting out of hand in some places. Sister sports like grasstrack are usually under £15 and for 40+ races, Stocks and bangers again far more races for the entry fee's. The fact is that the sport currently is competing with other amateur ventures but attempting to charge professional prices.

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5 hours ago, Sings4Speedway said:

As said many times before Speedway isn't comparable to most sports. The action time vs cost is getting out of hand in some places. Sister sports like grasstrack are usually under £15 and for 40+ races, Stocks and bangers again far more races for the entry fee's. The fact is that the sport currently is competing with other amateur ventures but attempting to charge professional prices.

Spot on...

Should just sell the spectacle...

Which currently gets completely diluted by trying to shoe horn it into a team concept...

(A very, very inadequate, and nowhere near fit for purpose team concept which does the actual spectacle absolutely no favours)..

Running once a month at the NSS for example, at weekends, with circa 40 races on show of differing levels eg kids to juniors to experts, (maybe a 'Festival Of Speedway' over two days?), in competitions with some authenticity, would generate pretty decent crowds I would think..

Ran once a month, with credibility, and properly marketed in the weeks leading up to it, with circa four thousand in attendance, would deliver a much better impression of the sport and enhance its brand far more to help it's long term sustainability than running contrived meetings, four times a month on a Monday or a Thursday, with a thousand at each meeting..

Run one 'biggie' individual during the season, and bang in a couple of Test Matches, and maybe it could kick start a renaissance of the sport in this country..

There definitely is still a fairly large following out there for Speedway, its just not being engaged by the current way it is ran..

So find an operating model that does..

 

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4 minutes ago, mikebv said:

Spot on...

Should just sell the spectacle...

Which currently gets completely diluted by trying to shoe horn it into a team concept...

(A very, very inadequate, and nowhere near fit for purpose team concept which does the actual spectacle absolutely no favours)..

Running once a month at the NSS for example, at weekends, with circa 40 races on show of differing levels (maybe a 'Festival Of Speedway' over two days?), in competitions with some authenticity, would generate pretty decent crowds I would think..

Ran once a month, and with credibility, with four thousand in attendance, would deliver a much better impression of the sport and enhance its brand far more to help it's long term sustainability than running contrived meetings, four times a month with a thousand at each meeting..

Run one 'biggie' individual during the season, and bang in a couple of Test Matches, and maybe it could kick start a renaissance of the sport in this country..

 

My only disappointment is that i can only like the above once. Ive thought very similar for a long time and buried somewhere is an equivalent post. Qualifying rounds, differing levels, handicap races, sidecars whatever it takes make it razzle dazzle. Look at the X games and arena cross. They pack huge stadia and in reality is no more thrilling than speedway. 4 riders could go round a 100 meter circular track and make it entertaining if the abilities and bikes were matched. Bring back the pantomime villains, arm waving and just entertainment. If newbies go and think its alright they won't come back, if they attend and leave thinking its amazing they will return and will bring others.

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28 minutes ago, mikebv said:

Spot on...

Should just sell the spectacle...

Which currently gets completely diluted by trying to shoe horn it into a team concept...

(A very, very inadequate, and nowhere near fit for purpose team concept which does the actual spectacle absolutely no favours)..

Running once a month at the NSS for example, at weekends, with circa 40 races on show of differing levels eg kids to juniors to experts, (maybe a 'Festival Of Speedway' over two days?), in competitions with some authenticity, would generate pretty decent crowds I would think..

Ran once a month, with credibility, and properly marketed in the weeks leading up to it, with circa four thousand in attendance, would deliver a much better impression of the sport and enhance its brand far more to help it's long term sustainability than running contrived meetings, four times a month on a Monday or a Thursday, with a thousand at each meeting..

Run one 'biggie' individual during the season, and bang in a couple of Test Matches, and maybe it could kick start a renaissance of the sport in this country..

There definitely is still a fairly large following out there for Speedway, its just not being engaged by the current way it is ran..

So find an operating model that does..

 

100% correct. I've made a similar case on the forum before for a festival-style model offering much better value to the whole family. Sadly, sensible voices like this get drowned out by a dying generation of hard core followers who get their knickers in a twist over trivialities like doubling up. The sport in Britain needs revolution not evolution.

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1 hour ago, mikebv said:

Spot on...

Should just sell the spectacle...

Which currently gets completely diluted by trying to shoe horn it into a team concept...

(A very, very inadequate, and nowhere near fit for purpose team concept which does the actual spectacle absolutely no favours)..

Running once a month at the NSS for example, at weekends, with circa 40 races on show of differing levels eg kids to juniors to experts, (maybe a 'Festival Of Speedway' over two days?), in competitions with some authenticity, would generate pretty decent crowds I would think..

Ran once a month, with credibility, and properly marketed in the weeks leading up to it, with circa four thousand in attendance, would deliver a much better impression of the sport and enhance its brand far more to help it's long term sustainability than running contrived meetings, four times a month on a Monday or a Thursday, with a thousand at each meeting..

Run one 'biggie' individual during the season, and bang in a couple of Test Matches, and maybe it could kick start a renaissance of the sport in this country..

There definitely is still a fairly large following out there for Speedway, its just not being engaged by the current way it is ran..

So find an operating model that does..

 

That really would only work (maybe) on one track in the country. Are you suggesting the other 22 close down?

Many people suggest that UK should copy Poland - but Poland thrives on team racing. Individual meetings are just an add on and seldom attract big crowds. In UK, supporters don’t turn out in big numbers for individual events either - compare crowd levels for play-offs versus league riders’ championships  

But, if you really believe a two day festival of speedway as you envisage it would work - sidecars, juniors, and solos - why not get a group of like minded individuals and rent the NSS for a couple of days and run the event? 

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15 minutes ago, Wee Eck said:

That really would only work (maybe) on one track in the country. Are you suggesting the other 22 close down?

Many people suggest that UK should copy Poland - but Poland thrives on team racing. Individual meetings are just an add on and seldom attract big crowds. In UK, supporters don’t turn out in big numbers for individual events either - compare crowd levels for play-offs versus league riders’ championships  

But, if you really believe a two day festival of speedway as you envisage it would work - sidecars, juniors, and solos - why not get a group of like minded individuals and rent the NSS for a couple of days and run the event? 

some people are now clutching at straws 

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14 minutes ago, Wee Eck said:

That really would only work (maybe) on one track in the country. Are you suggesting the other 22 close down?

Many people suggest that UK should copy Poland - but Poland thrives on team racing. Individual meetings are just an add on and seldom attract big crowds. In UK, supporters don’t turn out in big numbers for individual events either - compare crowd levels for play-offs versus league riders’ championships  

But, if you really believe a two day festival of speedway as you envisage it would work - sidecars, juniors, and solos - why not get a group of like minded individuals and rent the NSS for a couple of days and run the event? 

Whilst there are no bad ideas on saving the sport the UK will never compete with Poland in terms of team support. It is institutionalised in Poland plus most clubs have the support of the local councils (financially and otherwise) as opposed to the UK where its the total opposite and it takes immense amounts of work to keep tracks open. The vast majority of venues are open as either dual concerns or supported by backers who are prepared to lose a fortune. I would personally love to promote an individual event but have neither the time or backing at present to do so (plus it would probably have to sneak under another banner to avoid the anger of the current authorities who do everything to prevent progress).

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2 minutes ago, ray c said:

why is all this on the poole  thread anyway

Distraction from the poor state of the track.

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Just asking for advice from Poole fans.Am travelling down on Monday for Wolves meeting usually come down M5 then past blunsdon ,Salisbury and Ringwood.Is that the best route or is there quicker way?

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16 minutes ago, Sings4Speedway said:

I would personally love to promote an individual event but have neither the time or backing at present to do so (plus it would probably have to sneak under another banner to avoid the anger of the current authorities who do everything to prevent progress).

Indeed, any two day event or even a 2 or 3 hour event with the name "Speedwinks~ or "Tiddlyway" would incur the wrath of the Top of the Toppermost ( Mssrs Chapman & Godfrey ). Never mind filming it or broadcasting it in any shape or form. I suspect all participating riders would also get banned.

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12 minutes ago, Wolfie456 said:

Just asking for advice from Poole fans.Am travelling down on Monday for Wolves meeting usually come down M5 then past blunsdon ,Salisbury and Ringwood.Is that the best route or is there quicker way?

There are “faster” routes but they often get clogged up with late afternoon traffic. To be honest, in terms of journey time I think your route is as good as any.

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