A ORLOV 8,628 Posted December 8, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: I would quedtion that as my understanding is that a rider cannot hold their own registration and that it must be in the control of a registered promoter Not sure about that as I am sure Jason Crump bought and owned his own contract. It would make sense for all riders to refuse to sign ownership contracts and just sign for a club for a specific period, the same as most self employed people do. Edited December 8, 2018 by A ORLOV 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv 10,695 Posted December 8, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, A ORLOV said: Not sure about that as I am sure Jason Crump bought and owned his own contract. It would make sense for all riders to refuse to sign ownership contracts and just sign for a club for a specific period. I believe it was previously possible but the loophole closed when it was seen that it would be very advantageous to riders and effectively end the 'asset' system which underpins the promoters position Edit An perfect up to date example is Drew Kemp. I understand he ideally only wanted to sign a 3 month contract to ride for Ipswich at the end of 2018 but it was ruled he had to sign his registration over to a club or not be alliwed to ride Edited December 8, 2018 by dontforgetthefueltapsbruv 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A ORLOV 8,628 Posted December 8, 2018 1 minute ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: I believe it was previously possible but the loophole closed when it was seen that it would be very advantageous to riders and effectively end the 'asset' system which underpins the promoters position Which is why the riders are daft to sign such contracts, if they all stood together and refused to sign the present contracts they would have a bit more clout. If they are happy to be "owned" by a promoter and told what they can and cannot do then that is up to them. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv 10,695 Posted December 8, 2018 4 minutes ago, A ORLOV said: Which is why the riders are daft to sign such contracts, if they all stood together and refused to sign the present contracts they would have a bit more clout. If they are happy to be "owned" by a promoter and told what they can and cannot do then that is up to them. I agree AO Would only work if they all did it - a few on their own would simply be frozen out 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevebrum 6,820 Posted December 8, 2018 Can riders from 16 years of age just refuse to sign any contract so not be an asset of any club? Obviously I’m not including current riders already signed up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv 10,695 Posted December 8, 2018 39 minutes ago, stevebrum said: Can riders from 16 years of age just refuse to sign any contract so not be an asset of any club? Obviously I’m not including current riders already signed up. No as per my edit which I hadnt finished before AOs reply Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Daniel Smith 5,646 Posted December 8, 2018 Rory Schlein is a King's Lynn asset Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevebrum 6,820 Posted December 8, 2018 6 minutes ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: No as per my edit which I hadnt finished before AOs reply Outdated system then! 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
INCOGNITO 357 Posted December 8, 2018 2 hours ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: I would quedtion that as my understanding is that a rider cannot hold their own registration and that it must be in the control of a registered promoter Think it applies when the BSPA hold their registration due to track closure and riders can buy out their register which a few have done and Rory falls into that bracket so negotiations are straight with the rider, not a promoter than no longer promotes Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
INCOGNITO 357 Posted December 8, 2018 1 hour ago, Daniel Smith said: Rory Schlein is a King's Lynn asset Don't think so Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv 10,695 Posted December 8, 2018 12 minutes ago, INCOGNITO said: Think it applies when the BSPA hold their registration due to track closure and riders can buy out their register which a few have done and Rory falls into that bracket so negotiations are straight with the rider, not a promoter than no longer promotes Which if correct makes a new rider (or any other rider for that matter) not being allowed to illegal surely...... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bald Bloke 3,281 Posted December 8, 2018 I thought Lynn bought Rory as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
INCOGNITO 357 Posted December 8, 2018 1 minute ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: Which if correct makes a new rider (or any other rider for that matter) not being allowed to illegal surely...... New riders sign for a club in the league and operating . remember it's not ownership it's holding the registration Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv 10,695 Posted December 8, 2018 1 minute ago, INCOGNITO said: New riders sign for a club in the league and operating . remember it's not ownership it's holding the registration Irrelevant If a rider can buy their own registration from the BSPA then why shouldnt a new rider retain their own registration from the outset Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A ORLOV 8,628 Posted December 8, 2018 15 minutes ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: Irrelevant If a rider can buy their own registration from the BSPA then why shouldnt a new rider retain their own registration from the outset If enough of the existing riders ignore and dump the registration then new ones could refuse to sign one. If the majority did it the bspa would have to accept it or run with a couple of clubs. The rest could form their own leagues and continue riding. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
