acef 795 Posted December 21, 2018 1 minute ago, foreverblue said: Perhaps he should have scored more points earlier in the meeting then his last race ef wouldn't have mattered. That’s a strange logic. An ef is just an unfortunate occurrence Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
foreverblue 6,055 Posted December 21, 2018 21 minutes ago, acef said: That’s a strange logic. An ef is just an unfortunate occurrence And they happen all the time that is why you have to make sure you ride at your MAXimum all the time to compensate for unfortunate occurrences. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
acef 795 Posted December 21, 2018 27 minutes ago, foreverblue said: And they happen all the time that is why you have to make sure you ride at your MAXimum all the time to compensate for unfortunate occurrences. I’m sure max was riding at his maximum. Like I said, only an EF stopped him and there are fine margins in these qualifiers Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
acef 795 Posted December 21, 2018 2 hours ago, Steve0 said: Yet Masters gets the SGP pick ahead of Fricke for 2 years in a row? I would say that they are about the same level with Max still expected to improve while Masters has probably reached his level. They are not the same level. I can statistically prove that. In the UK they have similar averages, however Sam’s is inflated because of where he ridden last season. He will start the season at 1, but I can guarantee he will not stay there. Max will. He earned his current average doing most of the season as a number 1. Internationally there is literally no comparison and if people can’t see that then I’m afraid they can’t be helped. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
foreverblue 6,055 Posted December 21, 2018 11 minutes ago, acef said: I’m sure max was riding at his maximum. Like I said, only an EF stopped him and there are fine margins in these qualifiers Why was he last in a previous race sounds a bit unprofessional to have two failures in such an important meeting. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
foreverblue 6,055 Posted December 21, 2018 9 minutes ago, acef said: They are not the same level. I can statistically prove that. In the UK they have similar averages, however Sam’s is inflated because of where he ridden last season. He will start the season at 1, but I can guarantee he will not stay there. Max will. He earned his current average doing most of the season as a number 1. Internationally there is literally no comparison and if people can’t see that then I’m afraid they can’t be helped. I think Masters will stay at number one in the Wolves team, I agree internationally Max has a better record and would always get the nod in a world cup or cup of nations team but there is no denying their averages are similar. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevebrum 6,819 Posted December 21, 2018 19 minutes ago, foreverblue said: I think Masters will stay at number one in the Wolves team, I agree internationally Max has a better record and would always get the nod in a world cup or cup of nations team but there is no denying their averages are similar. Agreed, very little between them in the UK. What they both achieve at the end of 2019 is pure speculation and not fact anyway. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
acef 795 Posted December 21, 2018 20 minutes ago, foreverblue said: I think Masters will stay at number one in the Wolves team, I agree internationally Max has a better record and would always get the nod in a world cup or cup of nations team but there is no denying their averages are similar. I can’t deny their averages are similar but I can argue that theoretically they are, and that’s because of the position they were riding in their respective teams. Sam has an inflated average. That they are so close when you consider max was a number 1, I think that paints a more accurate picture. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
acef 795 Posted December 21, 2018 45 minutes ago, foreverblue said: Why was he last in a previous race sounds a bit unprofessional to have two failures in such an important meeting. He’s the consummate pro. It was just bad luck. Not his time but it will come. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wolfsbane 12,940 Posted December 21, 2018 2 hours ago, acef said: That’s a strange logic. An ef is just an unfortunate occurrence There's no such thing as bad luck, just bad judgement. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Beowulf 1,512 Posted December 21, 2018 58 minutes ago, Fred Flange said: A much closer comparison with masters is tungate. The bspa website has masters rolling average as 8.44 compared to tungate on 8.39. I'd give masters the nod over tungate but taking the figures at face value, like some do when eulogising over decent job's 2017 average, there really is nothing to choose between them. The difference between fricke and masters is similar to the difference between masters and klindt. While klindt had a really good season I wouldn't consider him comparable to masters. Now there's food for thought, klindt back at wolves instead of decent job next season? Three chances of Klint being at Wolves: Zero, None and Dog's. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
acef 795 Posted December 21, 2018 1 hour ago, Wolfsbane said: There's no such thing as bad luck, just bad judgement. Ok Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wolfsbane 12,940 Posted December 21, 2018 5 minutes ago, acef said: Ok If Fricke's or say Lindgren's pit crew messed up, it someone's fault. It's not bad luck Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steve0 5,517 Posted December 21, 2018 3 hours ago, acef said: They are not the same level. I can statistically prove that. In the UK they have similar averages, however Sam’s is inflated because of where he ridden last season. He will start the season at 1, but I can guarantee he will not stay there. Max will. He earned his current average doing most of the season as a number 1. Internationally there is literally no comparison and if people can’t see that then I’m afraid they can’t be helped. Yet Masters was picked twice ahead of Max for the SGP wild card! They are both good riders of similar abilities - but you seem unwilling to accept that. Anyway - Doyley is better than both of them 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
acef 795 Posted December 22, 2018 6 hours ago, Steve0 said: Yet Masters was picked twice ahead of Max for the SGP wild card! They are both good riders of similar abilities - but you seem unwilling to accept that. Anyway - Doyley is better than both of them Conversely you appear unwilling to accept that they are not of similar ability. Lets just agree to disagree. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites