Rob B 1,255 Posted September 30, 2018 (edited) KING'S LYNN: Robert Lambert, Erik Riss, Ty Proctor, Thomas Jorgensen, Niels-Kristian Iversen, Michael Palm Toft, Simon Lambert. BELLE VUE: Max Fricke, R/R for Craig Cook, Steve Worrall, Rohan Tungate, Tobiasz Musielak (G), Dimitri Berge, Coty Garcia (G) Edited September 30, 2018 by Rob B Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bagpuss 10,778 Posted September 30, 2018 Not quite sure why the usual Poole guff has polluted this thread but I’d have thought that as a general point if a team (any team) were able to replace a rider who had a ‘season ending injury’ with another after a deadline and that rider rode elsewhere despite being ‘injured’ then the replacements points should be declared null and void and the team made to use a three point replacement if the original rider didn’t return to action despite riding abroad. Common sense surely? 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisa-colette 6,022 Posted September 30, 2018 3 hours ago, Gavan said: And? Irrelevent......Poole replaced a rider with a much better rider just it didnt work out. I doubt it..........most teams play fair ..............Dakota North anyone lol 100% spot on. Oh really Gavan even though Mark Riss is riding elsewhere? Thought he was injured? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Badge 5,125 Posted September 30, 2018 3 hours ago, Bagpuss said: Not quite sure why the usual Poole guff has polluted this thread but I’d have thought that as a general point if a team (any team) were able to replace a rider who had a ‘season ending injury’ with another after a deadline and that rider rode elsewhere despite being ‘injured’ then the replacements points should be declared null and void and the team made to use a three point replacement if the original rider didn’t return to action despite riding abroad. Common sense surely? Too sensible baggy 15 minutes ago, lisa-colette said: Oh really Gavan even though Mark Riss is riding elsewhere? Thought he was injured? Not sure he was injured, after a couple of offs poor Mark's confidence was shot to bits, interestingly after he joined Bellevue, perhaps too many meetings?? (And before anyone kicks off I'm not blaming Bellevue) anyway he returned home to Germany, pleased if he is riding again, smiler deserves to bounce back. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv 10,706 Posted September 30, 2018 (edited) 20 minutes ago, lisa-colette said: Oh really Gavan even though Mark Riss is riding elsewhere? Thought he was injured? Where is Riss riding? If he is then he should now re take his place or he is now witholding his services in Britain and should get a 28 day ban and Belle Vue get a facility Edited September 30, 2018 by dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bald Bloke 3,282 Posted September 30, 2018 3 hours ago, Rob B said: KING'S LYNN: Robert Lambert, Erik Riss, Ty Proctor, Thomas Jorgensen, Niels-Kristian Iversen, Michael Palm Toft, Simon Lambert. BELLE VUE: Max Fricke, R/R for Craig Cook, Steve Worrall, Rohan Tungate, Tobiasz Musielak (G), Dimitri Berge, Coty Garcia (G) Good guest for Dan. Toby went well in his last visit. I'll be honest I don't no nothing about Garcia though.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisa-colette 6,022 Posted September 30, 2018 40 minutes ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: Where is Riss riding? If he is then he should now re take his place or he is now witholding his services in Britain and should get a 28 day ban and Belle Vue get a facility Czech Golden Helmet. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aces51 2,778 Posted September 30, 2018 31 minutes ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: Where is Riss riding? If he is then he should now re take his place or he is now witholding his services in Britain and should get a 28 day ban and Belle Vue get a facility He was suffering poor form and a lack of confidence, not an injury which prevented him from riding, when he decided to end his season in the UK and return to Germany. It was at that point that he was withholding his services. He rode today in the Czech Golden Helmet but that doesn't affect that he is withholding his services in the UK. I don't know if he could ride on Monday, even if he said he is prepared to return, as I assume he is subject to a suspension. 14 minutes ago, Bald Bloke said: Good guest for Dan. Toby went well in his last visit. I'll be honest I don't no nothing about Garcia though.. I don't either, I don't know if he has ever ridden in the top league, he hasn't to my knowledge but his Championship average for Ipswich is 4.41. I don't think we can expect too much but you never know, he may surprise us. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bald Bloke 3,282 Posted September 30, 2018 Hope he scores a few points ( but no to many ) , earns a few quid and enjoys it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Badge 5,125 Posted September 30, 2018 13 minutes ago, Aces51 said: He was suffering poor form and a lack of confidence, not an injury which prevented him from riding, when he decided to end his season in the UK and return to Germany. It was at that point that he was withholding his services. He rode today in the Czech Golden Helmet but that doesn't affect that he is withholding his services in the UK. I don't know if he could ride on Monday, even if he said he is prepared to return, as I assume he is subject to a suspension. I don't either, I don't know if he has ever ridden in the top league, he hasn't to my knowledge but his Championship average for Ipswich is 4.41. I don't think we can expect too much but you never know, he may surprise us. Coty surprised a few of us tbh, he got better equipment and help from Danny and started to fly. He'll do you well 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv 10,706 Posted September 30, 2018 38 minutes ago, Aces51 said: He was suffering poor form and a lack of confidence, not an injury which prevented him from riding, when he decided to end his season in the UK and return to Germany. It was at that point that he was withholding his services. He rode today in the Czech Golden Helmet but that doesn't affect that he is withholding his services in the UK. I don't know if he could ride on Monday, even if he said he is prepared to return, as I assume he is subject to a suspension. I don't either, I don't know if he has ever ridden in the top league, he hasn't to my knowledge but his Championship average for Ipswich is 4.41. I don't think we can expect too much but you never know, he may surprise us. His lack of confidence could be classed as an injury given it became so acute as to potentially be classed as a mental health issue Non physical issues such as this should not be trivialised or treated differently If he is back now he should return to Belle Vue or be classed as witholding his services Re Coty Garcia he greatly exceeded my expectations of him at Ipswich. Bruv assisted him on the spanners at Foxhall. A very unassuming, level headed individual who with the right set ups has the ability to progress - capable of being in the mix guesting in this meeting IMO 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Baldyman 6,243 Posted September 30, 2018 (edited) Let's be honest...if Riss is riding again..he should now be banned or start next year with a ban....or be back for Belle Vue, but i guess nothing will happen...it very rarely does. Coty has been really good since joining ipswich...winning rider of the night many times. Edited September 30, 2018 by Baldyman Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aces51 2,778 Posted September 30, 2018 25 minutes ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: His lack of confidence could be classed as an injury given it became so acute as to potentially be classed as a mental health issue Non physical issues such as this should not be trivialised or treated differently If he is back now he should return to Belle Vue or be classed as witholding his services Re Coty Garcia he greatly exceeded my expectations of him at Ipswich. Bruv assisted him on the spanners at Foxhall. A very unassuming, level headed individual who with the right set ups has the ability to progress - capable of being in the mix guesting in this meeting IMO It could be a mental health issue but so far as I know, which isn't a lot, there has not been a medical certificate. In that circumstance it would be classed as withholding his services. Mark didn't contact Belle Vue but Mark Lemon spoke to him the day after Ipswich's press release and he confirmed what Ipswich had said. I doubt he could now ride tomorrow anyway because withholding your services results in an automatic ban. Thank you to both you and Badge for the information on Garcia, I hope you're right and that he does a decent job for us. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gavan 5,049 Posted September 30, 2018 Mark Riss withheld his services which results in a ban He didn’t have a season ending injury and then rode again How people can compare the two is just farcical but expected from some. Do I like the fact he refused to ride over here? No But to compare it to the Hans Andersen injury is just daft Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Starman2006 2,354 Posted September 30, 2018 3 hours ago, Bald Bloke said: Good guest for Dan. Toby went well in his last visit. I'll be honest I don't no nothing about Garcia though.. Can still only see one result here mate. To much for BV to pull back really. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
