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48 minutes ago, PHILIPRISING said:

YES there will be a NL. The debate has been about whether the PL and CL would amalgamate but it would appear not. From what I hear (although there is no real agreement as yet)  there is a belief (fear) that a league in which the likes of Berwick, Redcar, and Scunthorpe (no disrespect) for example are expected to compete against the likes of King's Lynn and Poole simply isn't either practical or viable.

As far as the current PL tracks are concerned, the hope is that Glasgow will move up, possibly replacing Leicester who seem to prefer the CL.

But, as said, everything is still in the air right now with the AGM not schedled until November.

If Leicester go down, that also has to mean Sheffield up as they both have the same management teams.

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29 minutes ago, Daniel Smith said:

If Leicester go down, that also has to mean Sheffield up as they both have the same management teams.

NOT quite apparently ...

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Why does everything have to be decided over one weekend. Why can the AGM not be split in two, early November to table some ideas / proposals and then late November to actually make some decisions when all parties have had the chance to properly consider all the permutations and make some informed choices, even dare i say it, consult the fans of their relevant clubs what they would / wouldn't want to back?  

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9 minutes ago, Sings4Speedway said:

Why does everything have to be decided over one weekend. Why can the AGM not be split in two, early November to table some ideas / proposals and then late November to actually make some decisions when all parties have had the chance to properly consider all the permutations and make some informed choices, even dare i say it, consult the fans of their relevant clubs what they would / wouldn't want to back?  

THERE are several meetings planned before AGM

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1 hour ago, PHILIPRISING said:

YES there will be a NL. The debate has been about whether the PL and CL would amalgamate but it would appear not. From what I hear (although there is no real agreement as yet)  there is a belief (fear) that a league in which the likes of Berwick, Redcar, and Scunthorpe (no disrespect) for example are expected to compete against the likes of King's Lynn and Poole simply isn't either practical or viable.

As far as the current PL tracks are concerned, the hope is that Glasgow will move up, possibly replacing Leicester who seem to prefer the CL.

But, as said, everything is still in the air right now with the AGM not schedled until November.

so nothings going to change, lets go back to how it didn't work

perhaps the so called big teams will realise there is a problem when they keep losing teams mid season like this year, but even then I doubt it

so another nail in the speedway coffin

 

 

 

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59 minutes ago, mikebv said:

Is it going to be yet more 'deck chair shuffling on The Titanic' again?

Deep down we all know it will be....

The time to be radical has almost passed...

Doing the same thing time and time again and each time expecting a different outcome was considered a sign of insanity according to Einstein..

Seldom wrong was he?

Agree, deep down you know another sticking plaster job coming up.

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I certainly think we need a bigger top division.

However, what I want to see are realistic and sensible plans,

to give the sport credibility,

to have a simplified rule book that is applied consistently and fairly,

to avoid unnecessary delays during meetings,

to compile sensible fixture lists that provide regular meetings and avoid cramming in meetings to meet play off deadlines,

to make meetings more entertaining by presenting a product that will not just keep the die hard fans happy but make newbies eager to come back,

to publicise the sport in ways that will appeal to both the young and to the thousands who have walked away, 

to allow tracks to run on whatever night attracts their best crowd. 

Easier said than done but we need radical thinking to present speedway as a dangerous and exciting but professional sport. To attract new fans we need a bit of  razzmatazz and some controversy by allowing promoters and riders a degree of latitude to react to the opposition and to decisions made by referees.

We know the status quo doesn't work, it has led us to where we are.

 

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In reply to Aces51 - re the rule book......I thought Buster Chapman was going to sort that out, sure he said something to that effect when he became chairman.

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9 minutes ago, Aces51 said:

I certainly think we need a bigger top division.

However, what I want to see are realistic and sensible plans,

to give the sport credibility,

to have a simplified rule book that is applied consistently and fairly,

to avoid unnecessary delays during meetings,

to compile sensible fixture lists that provide regular meetings and avoid cramming in meetings to meet play off deadlines,

to make meetings more entertaining by presenting a product that will not just keep the die hard fans happy but make newbies eager to come back,

to publicise the sport in ways that will appeal to both the young and to the thousands who have walked away, 

to allow tracks to run on whatever night attracts their best crowd. 

Easier said than done but we need radical thinking to present speedway as a dangerous and exciting but professional sport. To attract new fans we need a bit of  razzmatazz and some controversy by allowing promoters and riders a degree of latitude to react to the opposition and to decisions made by referees.

We know the status quo doesn't work, it has led us to where we are.

 

It's hard to tell how many NEW fans the sport is attracting but you can see by the crowd levels that we are losing a lot of OLD fans for various reasons,and just muddling along paying out more money every season.Its not going to end well for a lot of clubs.In the late 60's the National League was introducing and brought a lower level of competition and was an entry for young riders which was well supported and meaningful,now it seems we're just trying to reduced a lot of the sport to a lower level for financial  reasons and expecting the fans to stump up to watch riders taking Promotions to the cleaners,will no real throughs for anybody but themselves and its wearing thin IMO .

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55 minutes ago, Aces51 said:

to have a simplified rule book that is applied consistently and fairly,

to avoid unnecessary delays during meetings,

to compile sensible fixture lists that provide regular meetings and avoid cramming in meetings to meet play off deadlines,

 

All three promises of change on this were broken, lost or just ignored. Getting rid of "gardening" for example - lasted three matches at King's Lynn. Unnecessary delays ditto ( now such delays are tactics during the meeting as we saw recently at KL - 35 minutes of grading during the meeting ). As for sensible fixture lists, we had two doubleheaders ( both times against the same opposition ) in a month. Hmmm. As Rosco recently said 'it is what it is" about all such things in UK speedway. I suppose that means take it or leave it - a point of view the Chairman appears to hold.

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2 hours ago, Aces51 said:

I certainly think we need a bigger top division.

However, what I want to see are realistic and sensible plans,

to give the sport credibility,

to have a simplified rule book that is applied consistently and fairly,

to avoid unnecessary delays during meetings,

to compile sensible fixture lists that provide regular meetings and avoid cramming in meetings to meet play off deadlines,

to make meetings more entertaining by presenting a product that will not just keep the die hard fans happy but make newbies eager to come back,

to publicise the sport in ways that will appeal to both the young and to the thousands who have walked away, 

to allow tracks to run on whatever night attracts their best crowd. 

Easier said than done but we need radical thinking to present speedway as a dangerous and exciting but professional sport. To attract new fans we need a bit of  razzmatazz and some controversy by allowing promoters and riders a degree of latitude to react to the opposition and to decisions made by referees.

We know the status quo doesn't work, it has led us to where we are.

 

Bigger league I agree, but certainly not just 1 big league. 

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If there are two leagues, one will be bigger.

the question needs to be at what level can we afford the big league to be

For quite a few seasons now clubs have paid out more money for riders they cant afford supposedly to get more fans in.

it hasn't worked, we need the pitch the "big" league at a level that can be afforded and then hope to rebuild, but it looks like that wont happen

obviously some clubs like to lose money year on year 

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1 minute ago, The Third Man said:

If there are two leagues, one will be bigger.

the question needs to be at what level can we afford the big league to be

For quite a few seasons now clubs have paid out more money for riders they cant afford supposedly to get more fans in.

it hasn't worked, we need the pitch the "big" league at a level that can be afforded and then hope to rebuild, but it looks like that wont happen

obviously some clubs like to lose money year on year 

Utter nonsense.

For years and years the big teams have pandered to the small teams.. That is what hasn't worked. Constantly dumbing down to the lowest level in the league, losing both sets of clubs fans.

The 'smaller' teams used to get bumper crowds when the likes of Holder/Ward visited with Poole.. 

The league has been steadily weakened year after year... and crowds have fallen. 

As some riders are forced out, the next level of riders name their price and so you end up still paying out but for a lesser calibre of rider.

 

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Can’t deny the loss of star names (through retirement and injury) has contributed to the decline in attendances and those coming through are not in the same class, but so has the quality of racing and the stadiums the sport is held in.

If we had 10 Belle Vues it would be a different story!

 

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1 hour ago, GWC said:

Can’t deny the loss of star names (through retirement and injury) has contributed to the decline in attendances and those coming through are not in the same class, but so has the quality of racing and the stadiums the sport is held in.

If we had 10 Belle Vues it would be a different story!

 

The quality of racing has been discussed numerous times, it's no different. 

If Belle Vue was packed out every week that argument could be used... it isn't though.. and neither are any other tracks that are meant to have the best racing.

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