Steve0 5,517 Posted October 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, BurntFaceMan said: Don't be a prat. There are only 2 teams affected by the change. Both teams were in favour and it was ratified by the SCB. You are condoning a blatant breaking of the rules - and you call me a prat? 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trees 2,814 Posted October 10, 2018 Watched the TV coverage last night, certainly cemented all our thoughts about the ref!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisa-colette 6,014 Posted October 10, 2018 20 minutes ago, Steve0 said: You are condoning a blatant breaking of the rules - and you call me a prat? How is it breaking the rules if they changed the rules to allow it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grachan 7,314 Posted October 10, 2018 15 minutes ago, lisa-colette said: How is it breaking the rules if they changed the rules to allow it? Have they though? As Racers and Royals pointed out on the previous page, the only amendment seems to be that a rider cannot guest for both sides in the play offs. There's nothing about the 5% allowance being allowed for away fixtures. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
arnieg 3,614 Posted October 10, 2018 54 minutes ago, BurntFaceMan said: Don't be a prat. There are only 2 teams affected by the change. Both teams were in favour and it was ratified by the SCB. If it is a rule it affects every team. If it affects just the one match it is a blatant breach of the rules ( even with the connivance of the SCB). The acid test here is can ( to use a random example) Peterborough now use Ricky Wells at Rye House next week? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aviator 213 Posted October 10, 2018 6 hours ago, Daniel Smith said: King's Lynn ARE the reason all this has kicked off. Poole had Ellis and Morris booked as guests for Kurtz. King's Lynn booking Ellis for Monday, although not against the rule, made the sport look a total embarrassment by swapping guests for each leg. If everyone was totally honest with themselves, King's Lynn should have been made to find an alternative guest. Poole should have kept Morris and Ellis. There are other alternatives out there and Poole should have NO blame. There were alternatives available to King's Lynn, i.e. R/R, Jacob Thorssell, Hans Andersen, Ricky Wells and David Bellego. The first 3 being much clearer options. Stars fans 'disgracing' Poole and it's supporters for it's blinkered views are exactly the same. This whole sorry mess all started from King's Lynn 'disgracing' the sport and we all shouldn't get away from that. Yes there were terrible decisions from the referee in the meeting but these wouldn't have been as bigger issues had King's Lynn not gone 18 points down in the first 5 heats. We displayed an embarrassing start to the meeting. Also, just remember, had Jakobsen been excluded instead of MPT, he was still injured. Had he come out for the rerun as the adrenaline was flowing, 100% would have pulled up in that heat with a broken wrist. Result; 51-38. Although a bit of fighting spirit was shown by King's Lynn mid meeting it was still a pretty abysmal performance. People should wind their necks in, focus on tonight and try to turn this result around fair and square with what we've got. Regardless of whether Ellis and Howarth score 0, King's Lynn need 8+ from all of Jorgensen, Riss and Proctor. Double figures from R.Lambert to be expected and 3-4 from S.Lambert. Any points from Ellis and Howarth should be looked at as a bonus. We have to go into this meeting with our minds set as a 5 man team and our middle order has to be on form. If one of Jorgensen, Riss or Proctor flop, quite frankly we're in the poop and we only have ourselves to blame for the appalling display in the first leg. Fingers crossed all rider's end the night safely, both sets of fans have an enjoyable evening and the world becomes a happy place again. May the best team over the 2 legs win and good luck all That was the most sensible and unbiased assessment I have seen over the last couple of days. Well done. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aces51 2,778 Posted October 10, 2018 1 hour ago, Aviator said: That was the most sensible and unbiased assessment I have seen over the last couple of days. Well done. I have blamed Chapman and King's Lynn for deciding to use Ellis when they apparently knew he was going to guest for Poole in the second leg. Not against the rules but only because of the incompetence of those who failed to include the play offs in the rule preventing such an obvious farce in the KO Cup. However, that is only part of what happened. The SCB, BSPA and both teams belatedly but sensibly acknowledged the farce that had been created but then wrongly decided that the answer was to break the rules by allowing Morris to ride for Poole at King's Lynn. That was ridiculous when options within the rules were available to solve the problem. It has made the sport a laughing stock. It is for that decision that all involved are responsible and for which they are rightly being blamed. 10 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iainb 4,962 Posted October 10, 2018 14 hours ago, Steve Shovlar said: Wasn’t Bewley a second string. Only r/r available. Under the rules at the time before the meeting... Perhaps they should have been changed Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steve0 5,517 Posted October 10, 2018 8 hours ago, lisa-colette said: How is it breaking the rules if they changed the rules to allow it? You don't think there is something wrong in your statement? 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sherborne Green 320 Posted October 10, 2018 54 minutes ago, Steve0 said: You don't think there is something wrong in your statement? The rules are being broken. Question, who are to blame? Poole?, Kings Lynn?, BSPA? SCB? All of them. Rules are stupid. 7 team league, 4 teams riders not admissible. This situation was predictable with speedway being such a dangerous sport. All I can say is GET IT SORTED for the future as speedway is being murdered. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikebv 10,227 Posted October 10, 2018 10 minutes ago, Sherborne Green said: The rules are being broken. Question, who are to blame? Poole?, Kings Lynn?, BSPA? SCB? All of them. Rules are stupid. 7 team league, 4 teams riders not admissible. This situation was predictable with speedway being such a dangerous sport. All I can say is GET IT SORTED for the future as speedway is being murdered. I admire your optimism that it has a future.... Isn't one of the central characters in this farce the same person who rode into his position on a white charger telling everyone that it was time to being integrity and credibility to the domestic scene? I've not heard how that went, presume its all gone very well? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
noggin 1,388 Posted October 10, 2018 Every year there is a badly worded rule that needs amending or scrapping, yet come the Agm no one proof reads the rule book, only noticing at the 11th hour. How many years have we been hearing this is a make or break Agm, well every year it's a break, and the so called clowns who run the sport never learn, 99% of the folk who post here could write a rule book that's simple, rather than a cure for insomnia and baffling to boot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevebrum 6,819 Posted October 10, 2018 Just now, noggin said: Every year there is a badly worded rule that needs amending or scrapping, yet come the Agm no one proof reads the rule book, only noticing at the 11th hour. How many years have we been hearing this is a make or break Agm, well every year it's a break, and the so called clowns who run the sport never learn, 99% of the folk who post here could write a rule book that's simple, rather than a cure for insomnia and baffling to boot. It’s like they do it on purpose. No wonder the sport in the UK is beyond a joke. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
noggin 1,388 Posted October 10, 2018 4 minutes ago, stevebrum said: It’s like they do it on purpose. No wonder the sport in the UK is beyond a joke. They don't have the brain power to do it on purpose. Just totally inept. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cinderfella 865 Posted October 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, noggin said: Every year there is a badly worded rule that needs amending or scrapping, yet come the Agm no one proof reads the rule book, only noticing at the 11th hour. How many years have we been hearing this is a make or break Agm, well every year it's a break, and the so called clowns who run the sport never learn, 99% of the folk who post here could write a rule book that's simple, rather than a cure for insomnia and baffling to boot. Yeah they changed the new rule about riders getting off their bikes at the starting grid even though matches had been completed with the rule in place and the outcomes possibly influenced by exclusions. As regards guests there is a story going round that Glasgow were looking at guests to replace Craig Cook for their semi-final against workington on Fri & Sat but were told 'they were not available' because if the Premier Final HAD been rained off they would have to have been available for that. If that is true then it is beyond comprehension that riders 'may or not be available'. What would have happened if Lakeside required Morris & Ellis if the PL Final had been rained off and rescheduled to the date of one of their meetings? Would PL fixtures take precedence even though they were guests? Too many things unthought of again Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
