Andrew 125 Posted October 18, 2018 1 hour ago, MARK246 said: 1951 Jack Young 12 points 55 Peter Craven 13 pts 56 Ove Fundin 13 pts 72 Ivan May get 13 pts 73 Jerzy Szczakiel 13 pts 78 Ole Olsen 13 pts 85 Erik Gundersen 13 pts 90 Per Jonsson 13 pts 93 Sam Ermolenko 12 pts 94 Tony Rickardsson 12 pts 1 hour ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: And how many of those were on 3 or 4 points after 2 rides (if any)...... Erik in '85 certainly,he went 1,3,3,3,3 then won the three way run off. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MARK246 243 Posted October 18, 2018 28 minutes ago, Andrew said: Erik in '85 certainly,he went 1,3,3,3,3 then won the three way run off. To have the mental strength to overcome that first ride and win shows why he is a truly great rider. In the one off there was no meeting in two weeks time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv 10,706 Posted October 18, 2018 35 minutes ago, Andrew said: Erik in '85 certainly,he went 1,3,3,3,3 then won the three way run off. Good call Do you have the stats for the top 4 after heat 8 and the position Erik was in? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chunky 6,091 Posted October 18, 2018 1 hour ago, iainb said: I reckon the lowest score you can win an old style world final on was 9 and then win a run off... Meaning it's possible to get 5 seconds to score 10 to beat that... I'm sure there's a mathematician out there who can prove me right! ... Not to mention progressing through all of the qualifying rounds without winning a race Actually, assuming that there are at least three finishers in every race, a standard 20-heat, 16-rider meeting can be won on 8 points (with a run off - or series of run-offs)! There are a total of 120 points available, and without doing all the work, I am sure it is possible for a 9-point return to win WITHOUT a run off! Steve 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iris123 20,979 Posted October 18, 2018 (edited) The 1951 Final was also similar.In fact the top 2 in the end were on 4 after 2 rides.Two riders had 6 points and one ended up 7th and in fact the rider that had 12 after 4 rides then finished last in his 5th and 3 rd out of 3 in the run off for the title!!!Blew it big time.The rider who finished 4th,Ronnie Moore also had 4 after 2 rides The 1956 final,the top 5 in the end all had 4 after hit 8.Boothroyd was in the lead with 5 and ended up 10th!! Edited October 18, 2018 by iris123 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chunky 6,091 Posted October 18, 2018 6 minutes ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: Good call Do you have the stats for the top 4 after heat 8 and the position Erik was in? 6 - Nielsen 5 - Ermolenko 5 - Niemi 4 - Gundersen 4 - Knudsen 4 - Moran 4 - Pedersen Steve 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chunky 6,091 Posted October 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, iris123 said: The 1951 Final was also similar.In fact the top 2 in the end were on 4 after 2 rides.Two riders had 6 points and one ended up 7th and in fact the rider that had 12 after 4 rides then finished last in his 5th and 3 rd out of 3 in the run off for the title!!!Blew it big time.The rider who finished 4th,Ronnie Moore also had 4 after 2 rides I was waiting for someone to mention Jack Biggs! Steve Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrew 125 Posted October 18, 2018 6 minutes ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: Good call Do you have the stats for the top 4 after heat 8 and the position Erik was in? Hans 3,3. Sam 2,3. Kai N 2,3. Shawn 3,1. Jan O 3,1. Erik 1,3. Tommy K 2,2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1985_Individual_Speedway_World_Championship 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv 10,706 Posted October 18, 2018 Thanks Chunky Your insight seems to back up that any winner on the one off final has been at least tied for 4th after 2 rides..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv 10,706 Posted October 18, 2018 7 minutes ago, iris123 said: The 1951 Final was also similar.In fact the top 2 in the end were on 4 after 2 rides.Two riders had 6 points and one ended up 7th and in fact the rider that had 12 after 4 rides then finished last in his 5th and 3 rd out of 3 in the run off for the title!!!Blew it big time.The rider who finished 4th,Ronnie Moore also had 4 after 2 rides I seem to recall that Ermolemko was the first rider to run a last and still take the title and of course in his case he knew it didnt matter Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chunky 6,091 Posted October 18, 2018 Just now, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: Thanks Chunky Your insight seems to back up that any winner on the one off final has been at least tied for 4th after 2 rides..... Um, you have now given me a task! I love going through stats, and I hadn't actually thought about this one! On the flip side, what about Ken McKinlay in 1969? After 12 heats, he was in fourth place on 7 points, but then ran two lasts. Steve 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chunky 6,091 Posted October 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: I seem to recall that Ermolemko was the first rider to run a last and still take the title and of course in his case he knew it didnt matter Well, there have only been three 12-point winners; Young, Ermolenko, and Rickardsson. Oh, and nobody has mentioned the other well-known anomaly. Bluey Wilkinson scoring a 15 point max in the World Final, and only finishing third! Steve Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iris123 20,979 Posted October 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, chunky said: Oh, and nobody has mentioned the other well-known anomaly. Bluey Wilkinson scoring a 15 point max in the World Final, and only finishing third! Steve Think you must have missed my post from a couple of hours ago!!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chunky 6,091 Posted October 18, 2018 Okay, 1956 final... After eight heats, Briggo and Eric Boothroyd were joint leaders on five points. Fundin (eventual winner), Moore, Forrest, Craven, and Crutcher were all on four points. Neither Briggo nor Boothroyd finished on the rostrum. Steve Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chunky 6,091 Posted October 18, 2018 3 minutes ago, iris123 said: Think you must have missed my post from a couple of hours ago!!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
