tigerowl 630 Posted October 18, 2018 The photo of the 'cup winners' on the SGB website sums the sport up for me. Left to right; Starke - guest from Glasgow. Also ridden for Belle Vue and Poole this year. Lawson - rides for Somerset and Lakeside Garcia - guest from Ipswich. Also ridden for Edinburgh this year Doyle - A SOMERSET RIDER!! Harris - Guest from Poole who has also ridden for Rye House Covatti - rides for Somerset and Ipswich No 7th rider. Just a mish-mash of riders from all over the place who pull on a race jacket and call themselves team mates for the night. 6 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Icicle 896 Posted October 18, 2018 What reason given for Garcia as guest? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aces51 2,778 Posted October 18, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, lisa-colette said: But when we used him it was in the rules... No, it wasn't. There is no supplementary rule that amends the original rule under which his average was too high. People in authority apparently agreeing to break the rules doesn't alter the fact that the rules were broken. It simply reflects on their integrity and the credibility of the sport. Having said that Poole are no more or less guilty than the rest of those involved. Edited October 18, 2018 by Aces51 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trees 2,814 Posted October 19, 2018 Well done Somerset, best team won on the night! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikebv 10,273 Posted October 19, 2018 4 hours ago, tigerowl said: The photo of the 'cup winners' on the SGB website sums the sport up for me. Left to right; Starke - guest from Glasgow. Also ridden for Belle Vue and Poole this year. Lawson - rides for Somerset and Lakeside Garcia - guest from Ipswich. Also ridden for Edinburgh this year Doyle - A SOMERSET RIDER!! Harris - Guest from Poole who has also ridden for Rye House Covatti - rides for Somerset and Ipswich No 7th rider. Just a mish-mash of riders from all over the place who pull on a race jacket and call themselves team mates for the night. No doubt this Mickey Mouse nonsense is allowed because it's "in the interest of British Speedway" tigerowl...! Dont quite see the irony of that by those who run it do they? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steve0 5,517 Posted October 19, 2018 6 hours ago, lisa-colette said: But when we used him it was in the rules... No it wasn’t - show everyone the rule you are referring to Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cliffeboy 577 Posted October 19, 2018 7 hours ago, tigerowl said: The photo of the 'cup winners' on the SGB website sums the sport up for me. Left to right; Starke - guest from Glasgow. Also ridden for Belle Vue and Poole this year. Lawson - rides for Somerset and Lakeside Garcia - guest from Ipswich. Also ridden for Edinburgh this year Doyle - A SOMERSET RIDER!! Harris - Guest from Poole who has also ridden for Rye House Covatti - rides for Somerset and Ipswich No 7th rider. Just a mish-mash of riders from all over the place who pull on a race jacket and call themselves team mates for the night. Bit harsh I think Tigerowl. The nature and danger of the sport make guests a viable solution to the problem. Provided the selection and choosing of guests is fair and within the rules laid down at the beginning of the season I think it’s the only way. The BPSA have made some strange decisions over the years ( double points tactical ! ), but in the 20 or so years I have been following Speedway again since the formation of Somerset Rebels , I think the most damaging has been the Poole/ Nick Morris business in the Play off Final. Sorry Poole fans every other team will see this as bang out of order, if the boot had been on the other foot your Poole thread would have gone into meltdown. Whoever was responsible at high level for that decision should be shown the door, it was very wrong. Can the Poole fans not see that their win will always be remembered as the one where Morris was riding ?. As fir Somerset being a mish mash of riders , with four guys injured what could we do, pray tell. Jack and Aaron were both victims of other people taking them out, BWD a pre booked hospital procedure, and Jake an injury picked up the day before. All our guests came in within the points limit. Somerset only made one enforced change all season and that revolved around the disciplinary thing with Wrighty. Jeppersen was struggling and Summers and Covatti came in . Compare this to Leicester who changed their entire team apart from Hans, and Poole who only kept Josh and Brady. We were everyone’s favourite to finish bottom, I think we were around or in the play off positions all season. I also have no problems with riders riding for two leagues, it’s a job you have to go where the money is. The season was messed up with the football World Cup, some riders were doin nothing for two to three weeks. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
g13webb 4,254 Posted October 19, 2018 First may I congratulate Garry May and the Somerset Rebels on their success of winning the KO cup. Without doubt, you were the best team in the final. The fact you achieved this with half a team and 3guests merely highlights how poor the Stars were. What was suppose to be a season finale, turned into a damp squib.. I've experienced more atmosphere in a dentist waiting room. The place was dead. On a night when we had to wait 5 heats before we had a race winner, any thought of a come back were gone by that time. The only pairing to offer any excitement was Lambert and Riss, who showed the others how it is suppose to be done.... Like I have said, I have fallen out of love with this sport and see so many things that disappoints me, for that reason this was probably my last meeting. I'm so fed-up with the consistent gate and go races. the track is that grippy the only rider prepared to fight from the back is usually Lambert. Most races are decided but the back straight.. Why did we have to stand around in the cold for half an hour waiting for the meeting to start?? They said it was about the team formation, but we all know it was to allow the late comers time to get in . Again our guest selection was dire, never in a million years would he come close to the standard of MPT. His inclusion all but sealed our fate. The respect I once had for NKI is fast disappearing, Tonight he was selfish. he obviously had a point to prove, an axe to grind, but to whom. The fans here use to love him when every week he would perform to the highest level. But not any more.. For three races he couldn't care lass, he rode like a novice, 50 yds adrift, shutting off halfway down the straight, his application was nil. Then come heat 13, the toughest race of the night, he makes a lightening start and is gone, leaving the likes of Doyle and Bomber well adrift.. whether he has issues with Dale or Buster I don't know, but one thing for sure he didn't enthral anybody with his performance last night. Its as if the fans don't matter. a 16pt mountain was always to high to climb, but we could have made a fight of it..... Probably, more sceptical than most, I feel this could have been our water shed season. Everything was in place to write our chapter in the history books, but unfortunately we fell way short. I cant imagine there ever being a better chance then we had this year , but as usual, we ended up with nothing. The brilliant fireworks display at the end ensured we finished the season with a bang, just a pity it wasn't reflected on the track.... 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idh 209 Posted October 19, 2018 7 minutes ago, Cliffeboy said: Bit harsh I think Tigerowl. The nature and danger of the sport make guests a viable solution to the problem. Provided the selection and choosing of guests is fair and within the rules laid down at the beginning of the season I think it’s the only way. The BPSA have made some strange decisions over the years ( double points tactical ! ), but in the 20 or so years I have been following Speedway again since the formation of Somerset Rebels , I think the most damaging has been the Poole/ Nick Morris business in the Play off Final. Sorry Poole fans every other team will see this as bang out of order, if the boot had been on the other foot your Poole thread would have gone into meltdown. Whoever was responsible at high level for that decision should be shown the door, it was very wrong. Can the Poole fans not see that their win will always be remembered as the one where Morris was riding ?. As fir Somerset being a mish mash of riders , with four guys injured what could we do, pray tell. Jack and Aaron were both victims of other people taking them out, BWD a pre booked hospital procedure, and Jake an injury picked up the day before. All our guests came in within the points limit. Somerset only made one enforced change all season and that revolved around the disciplinary thing with Wrighty. Jeppersen was struggling and Summers and Covatti came in . Compare this to Leicester who changed their entire team apart from Hans, and Poole who only kept Josh and Brady. We were everyone’s favourite to finish bottom, I think we were around or in the play off positions all season. I also have no problems with riders riding for two leagues, it’s a job you have to go where the money is. The season was messed up with the football World Cup, some riders were doin nothing for two to three weeks. Well said Cliffboy. can someone come up with a solution when you only have 3 riders fit to race ............ common sense has to prevail the public need to see a full team racing 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idh 209 Posted October 19, 2018 4 minutes ago, g13webb said: First may I congratulate Garry May and the Somerset Rebels on their success of winning the KO cup. Without doubt, you were the best team in the final. The fact you achieved this with half a team and 3guests merely highlights how poor the Stars were. What was suppose to be a season finale, turned into a damp squib.. I've experienced more atmosphere in a dentist waiting room. The place was dead. On a night when we had to wait 5 heats before we had a race winner, any thought of a come back were gone by that time. The only pairing to offer any excitement was Lambert and Riss, who showed the others how it is suppose to be done.... Like I have said, I have fallen out of love with this sport and see so many things that disappoints me, for that reason this was probably my last meeting. I'm so fed-up with the consistent gate and go races. the track is that grippy the only rider prepared to fight from the back is usually Lambert. Most races are decided but the back straight.. Why did we have to stand around in the cold for half an hour waiting for the meeting to start?? They said it was about the team formation, but we all know it was to allow the late comers time to get in . Again our guest selection was dire, never in a million years would he come close to the standard of MPT. His inclusion all but sealed our fate. The respect I once had for NKI is fast disappearing, Tonight he was selfish. he obviously had a point to prove, an axe to grind, but to whom. The fans here use to love him when every week he would perform to the highest level. But not any more.. For three races he couldn't care lass, he rode like a novice, 50 yds adrift, shutting off halfway down the straight, his application was nil. Then come heat 13, the toughest race of the night, he makes a lightening start and is gone, leaving the likes of Doyle and Bomber well adrift.. whether he has issues with Dale or Buster I don't know, but one thing for sure he didn't enthral anybody with his performance last night. Its as if the fans don't matter. a 16pt mountain was always to high to climb, but we could have made a fight of it..... Probably, more sceptical than most, I feel this could have been our water shed season. Everything was in place to write our chapter in the history books, but unfortunately we fell way short. I cant imagine there ever being a better chance then we had this year , but as usual, we ended up with nothing. The brilliant fireworks display at the end ensured we finished the season with a bang, just a pity it wasn't reflected on the track.... I do feel sorry for you there should have been a trophy for finishing top of the league you deserve that you were consistent all season. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cliffeboy 577 Posted October 19, 2018 11 minutes ago, idh said: I do feel sorry for you there should have been a trophy for finishing top of the league you deserve that you were consistent all season. I think if enough people push for the League Winners to be suitably rewarded, maybe the powers that be will see the light. I’d be happy to go along with the Rip offs if this could happen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisa-colette 6,027 Posted October 19, 2018 1 hour ago, Steve0 said: No it wasn’t - show everyone the rule you are referring to If the powers that be change their rule that they originally made to allow Morris to ride, how have they broken it? If it wasn't changed for the fixture then they would have broken it. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisa-colette 6,027 Posted October 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, Cliffeboy said: I think if enough people push for the League Winners to be suitably rewarded, maybe the powers that be will see the light. I’d be happy to go along with the Rip offs if this could happen. You already get a reward...You choose the team you want in the SF. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cliffeboy 577 Posted October 19, 2018 23 minutes ago, g13webb said: First may I congratulate Garry May and the Somerset Rebels on their success of winning the KO cup. Without doubt, you were the best team in the final. The fact you achieved this with half a team and 3guests merely highlights how poor the Stars were. What was suppose to be a season finale, turned into a damp squib.. I've experienced more atmosphere in a dentist waiting room. The place was dead. On a night when we had to wait 5 heats before we had a race winner, any thought of a come back were gone by that time. The only pairing to offer any excitement was Lambert and Riss, who showed the others how it is suppose to be done.... Like I have said, I have fallen out of love with this sport and see so many things that disappoints me, for that reason this was probably my last meeting. I'm so fed-up with the consistent gate and go races. the track is that grippy the only rider prepared to fight from the back is usually Lambert. Most races are decided but the back straight.. Why did we have to stand around in the cold for half an hour waiting for the meeting to start?? They said it was about the team formation, but we all know it was to allow the late comers time to get in . Again our guest selection was dire, never in a million years would he come close to the standard of MPT. His inclusion all but sealed our fate. The respect I once had for NKI is fast disappearing, Tonight he was selfish. he obviously had a point to prove, an axe to grind, but to whom. The fans here use to love him when every week he would perform to the highest level. But not any more.. For three races he couldn't care lass, he rode like a novice, 50 yds adrift, shutting off halfway down the straight, his application was nil. Then come heat 13, the toughest race of the night, he makes a lightening start and is gone, leaving the likes of Doyle and Bomber well adrift.. whether he has issues with Dale or Buster I don't know, but one thing for sure he didn't enthral anybody with his performance last night. Its as if the fans don't matter. a 16pt mountain was always to high to climb, but we could have made a fight of it..... Probably, more sceptical than most, I feel this could have been our water shed season. Everything was in place to write our chapter in the history books, but unfortunately we fell way short. I cant imagine there ever being a better chance then we had this year , but as usual, we ended up with nothing. The brilliant fireworks display at the end ensured we finished the season with a bang, just a pity it wasn't reflected on the track.... Don’t want to be a wet blanket but KL started hitting the front after the tie was lost, maybe the Rebs were just going through the motions, bit pointless racing hard and getting injured with nothing at stake, just saying , not mean to offend. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cliffeboy 577 Posted October 19, 2018 4 minutes ago, lisa-colette said: You already get a reward...You choose the team you want in the SF. Even now you still don’t get it . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
