martinmauger 584 Posted November 10, 2018 5 hours ago, phillwhitewasmad said: Anlas tyre currently £49 +vat mitas tyres currently £36.50 +vat Ah, clears that up then thought of different brands after posting. The one I have in my wardrobe (don't ask, nothing wrong with a speedway tyre in one's wardrobe) think is a Mitas, cost around 30 notes about 6 years ago.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chadster 221 Posted November 10, 2018 My impression of the one big league set up in the 90s was that it didn't work because a significant number of top flight promoters were not convinced it was the way forward and really wanted to retain the two league system. It was different in 1965. The top league had struggled through 1964 with 7 teams (sounds familiar!) and when it was clear Norwich were closing down they had nowhere to go other than amalgamation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MARK246 243 Posted November 10, 2018 5 hours ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said: On a jawa yes but no reason why GM couldn’t make a 2 valve head for their engine 6 years ago there were some two valve GMs in ice racing a Finnish rider I know still has his. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TonyMac 720 Posted November 11, 2018 A basic shortage of quality riders (among other things) has led to the ridiculous over-use of guests and doubling-up. So wouldn't reducing teams from 7 to 6 riders help to ease the above two problems and at the same time reduce the promoters' wage overheads? If not in league matches, then at least adopt it for one of the other competitions. Or why not run a KO Cup using four-man teams, to achieve further wage reductions? Obviously, a tweak of the race format would be necessary but six-man teams were used in the 60s. Or am I being too simplistic? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve roberts 9,242 Posted November 11, 2018 4 hours ago, tmc said: A basic shortage of quality riders (among other things) has led to the ridiculous over-use of guests and doubling-up. So wouldn't reducing teams from 7 to 6 riders help to ease the above two problems and at the same time reduce the promoters' wage overheads? If not in league matches, then at least adopt it for one of the other competitions. Or why not run a KO Cup using four-man teams, to achieve further wage reductions? Obviously, a tweak of the race format would be necessary but six-man teams were used in the 60s. Or am I being too simplistic? If I recall six-man teams were also implemented during 1997 (?) when the home team were numbered 1-6 and the away team 7-12 to help simplyfy identification. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trees 2,814 Posted November 11, 2018 14 hours ago, Byker Biker said: British promoters pioneered it! The Poles are working with Marcel Gerhardt so the project isn't dead yet. Oh the Gerhard engine..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Arch Stanton 2,241 Posted November 11, 2018 33 minutes ago, steve roberts said: If I recall six-man teams were also implemented during 1997 (?) 98. A season I’ll never forget as an Ipswich fan 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Daniel Smith 5,645 Posted November 11, 2018 Just a thought, should the Premiership be the only "professional" league? What I mean by that is that the Championship becomes a 2nd arm to the National League and has a 'Paid Point Salary Cap' of say £40-£50. But unlike the NL the Championship allows the inclusion of foreign rider's. Any rider's that are contracted to the Polish Liga 1, Ekstraliga, Swedish Elitserien, Dansk Metal League and German Bundesliga cannot ride in the Championship unless they have a current Premiership average less than 4.00 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Piotr Pyszny 206 Posted November 11, 2018 15 hours ago, The Little Un said: You have no need to defend what you earn; how many of the fans here would tell you how much they earn each year? Followers of all sports - not just speedway - have an interest in what participants earn because, to a greater or lesser degree, their admission fee helps cover the wage bill. It's hardly the same in less extraordinary walks of life. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv 10,693 Posted November 11, 2018 2 hours ago, Daniel Smith said: Just a thought, should the Premiership be the only "professional" league? What I mean by that is that the Championship becomes a 2nd arm to the National League and has a 'Paid Point Salary Cap' of say £40-£50. But unlike the NL the Championship allows the inclusion of foreign rider's. Any rider's that are contracted to the Polish Liga 1, Ekstraliga, Swedish Elitserien, Dansk Metal League and German Bundesliga cannot ride in the Championship unless they have a current Premiership average less than 4.00 Non Brits currently come in on a min 4 and cannot drop below 4 so that would have to change for that to be an option Personally I wouldnt allow any rider under 4 in the Premiership anyway..... That said I tend to agree with the principle of recreating the gap between leagues Ideally 2nd tier heat leaders should only be reserves/lower second string in the top league Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big Al 708 Posted November 11, 2018 So the circumstances which compel many riders, especially British ones, to ride for two clubs in the UK has come about due to a combination of their needing to try and make riding speedway "pay" or at least cover the costs. One club does not provide a sufficient number of fixtures, and income from riding for a club in Poland has either been shut down or is too unreliable. So there has been the development of a dependence on this situation with no simple way out, other than to retire or to earn income in another way. So doubling up within the UK it can't really be abolished instantly, it has got to be done in a planned way and over a period of several seasons, with the plan being stuck to by all. The costs seem to be absolutely crazy and they will be the demise of speedway as we know it. Reading Chris Harris' perspective one question which crossed my mind was "what does he do from November to March"? Indeed the same could apply for any speedway rider. In Harris's case it's hard to believe that he wouldn't be able to find paid work over that period. It might even help him to stay fit and start the season better! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tsunami 10,219 Posted November 11, 2018 4 hours ago, Arch Stanton said: 98. A season I’ll never forget as an Ipswich fan It was introduced in 97, that was my first year as Promoter. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
topaz325 1,853 Posted November 11, 2018 Some very poignant views from referee Graham Flint in the latest SS magazine on the future of the sport. He openly admits that the rule book is too complex and needs re written by a working party so it is ready for the 2020 season, even he needs to constantly read it to keep up with all the rule changes. Startling facts, average of 30 minutes of tractor racing per meeting, no plan in place if the Championship Shield final had it ended in a draw (only days to the end of the season). What is required is consistency of rules across the Leagues if not in the whole of the sport then at least in British Speedway. A two minute clock at all tracks so that everyone (riders, fans, officials) know that the two minute time allowance has started. Some hard hitting facts that all is not well in the sport but some problems could be sorted relatively easily. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
foamfence 2,917 Posted November 11, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Big Al said: So the circumstances which compel many riders, especially British ones, to ride for two clubs in the UK has come about due to a combination of their needing to try and make riding speedway "pay" or at least cover the costs. One club does not provide a sufficient number of fixtures, and income from riding for a club in Poland has either been shut down or is too unreliable. So there has been the development of a dependence on this situation with no simple way out, other than to retire or to earn income in another way. So doubling up within the UK it can't really be abolished instantly, it has got to be done in a planned way and over a period of several seasons, with the plan being stuck to by all. The costs seem to be absolutely crazy and they will be the demise of speedway as we know it. Reading Chris Harris' perspective one question which crossed my mind was "what does he do from November to March"? Indeed the same could apply for any speedway rider. In Harris's case it's hard to believe that he wouldn't be able to find paid work over that period. It might even help him to stay fit and start the season better! Harris isn't short of money, his wife bought him a brand new Jaguar last month. What you read in Speedway Star is mostly people pushing their own interests no matter what the consequences. Edited November 11, 2018 by foamfence 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fromafar 10,332 Posted November 11, 2018 Harris's sob story is pathetic,he's earn a few bob more than he makes out,total self interest.Why go Long Tracking to lose money !!!.had a lot of respect for him as a rider and entertainer but his PR is terrible.90+ meetings this season and just making ends meet!! Pull the other one! 17 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites