Red Flag 454 Posted November 20, 2018 8 hours ago, adonis said: It would be worth suffering the m6 wideneing , if it was going to be of any benefit long term , but just like the M1 widening , mr and mrs lane hogger will simply spread themselves over 4 lanes instead of 3 and the 6 years of pain will have been for nothing , it would have been cheaper quicker and more succesful to employ a team of extra police officers to ensure the 3 lanes we have now are properly used . once a few people were nicked for hogging , and queue jumping , the motorways would soon start to unclog The cameras can now pick you up for speeding even if you switching lanes so surely they can do you for lane hogging? Good fine and 6 points should sort it 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
adonis 1,454 Posted November 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, Red Flag said: The cameras can now pick you up for speeding even if you switching lanes so surely they can do you for lane hogging? Good fine and 6 points should sort it 2 minutes ago, Red Flag said: The cameras can now pick you up for speeding even if you switching lanes so surely they can do you for lane hogging? Good fine and 6 points should sort it lane hogging is not as cut and dried as speeding , therfore it's not easy money like doling out speeding tickets ,so it's not going to happen Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kickitov 104 Posted November 20, 2018 When a rider has a Premiership and Championship average from 2018, which one is used for 2019 team building?? Is it his prem ave x 1.5 or his Champ ave?? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alan_Jones 1,005 Posted November 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, The Stag said: When a rider has a Premiership and Championship average from 2018, which one is used for 2019 team building?? Is it his prem ave x 1.5 or his Champ ave?? If this year's rule is retained then the average gained in the league being ridden in is used. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kickitov 104 Posted November 20, 2018 For 2019 the Championship Club rider average has been reduced to 38 points. The average conversion rate from Premiership to Championship will be 1.5. This conversion rate will increase (For example 1.6 in 2020) by one tenth of a point each year until the rate reaches 2.0. I'm still none the wiser !!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Daniel Smith 5,646 Posted November 21, 2018 With the new rules on converted averages in place it would be a nonsense for rider's in both leagues to continue with their existing Championship average. They should all be converted from Premiership immediately, otherwise with the numbers there are already doubling up the BSPA are not going to achieve anything in reducing the saga. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
old bob at herne bay 828 Posted November 21, 2018 Things were very different then......... and yes they were each rider had ONE bike in the pits. If that failed he would pay to use the "track spare" . riders would have their bike loaded onto a bike rack on the rear of their car, others had a bike trailer. riders would use the same bike season after season , not sell off all their gear every season and buy new. riders owned one crash helmet and put a different colour cover RED BLUE WHITE or YELLOW/BLACK riders owned one set of leathers and kept them for years. You can see why the riders costs have increased...... IMO things began to change when the late great Ivan Mauger came onto the scene with bikes located in every speedway country. "professionalism " came into speedway. Now it seems every rider from a National League reserve appears on a brand new bike with glitter guards and all the trimmings. They all expect speedway to provide them with full time employment. 7 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Midland Red 2,383 Posted November 21, 2018 39 minutes ago, old bob at herne bay said: Things were very different then......... and yes they were each rider had ONE bike in the pits. If that failed he would pay to use the "track spare" . riders would have their bike loaded onto a bike rack on the rear of their car, others had a bike trailer. riders would use the same bike season after season , not sell off all their gear every season and buy new. riders owned one crash helmet and put a different colour cover RED BLUE WHITE or YELLOW/BLACK riders owned one set of leathers and kept them for years. You can see why the riders costs have increased...... IMO things began to change when the late great Ivan Mauger came onto the scene with bikes located in every speedway country. "professionalism " came into speedway. Now it seems every rider from a National League reserve appears on a brand new bike with glitter guards and all the trimmings. They all expect speedway to provide them with full time employment. Ah! The really good old days! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ghosty 500 Posted November 21, 2018 36 minutes ago, old bob at herne bay said: Things were very different then......... and yes they were each rider had ONE bike in the pits. If that failed he would pay to use the "track spare" . riders would have their bike loaded onto a bike rack on the rear of their car, others had a bike trailer. riders would use the same bike season after season , not sell off all their gear every season and buy new. riders owned one crash helmet and put a different colour cover RED BLUE WHITE or YELLOW/BLACK riders owned one set of leathers and kept them for years. You can see why the riders costs have increased...... IMO things began to change when the late great Ivan Mauger came onto the scene with bikes located in every speedway country. "professionalism " came into speedway. Now it seems every rider from a National League reserve appears on a brand new bike with glitter guards and all the trimmings. They all expect speedway to provide them with full time employment. It wasn't that long ago I remember a young Tai Woofinden (Scunthorpe) turning up @ Plymouth in an old Ford Escort van, he impressed everyone with his skills on the track that night. Thus proving that fancy vans with "Mr Nobody Speedway Star" in big letters are unimportant & not required. P.S. also a second hand race-suit if the memory is still working! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sings4Speedway 3,246 Posted November 21, 2018 1 hour ago, old bob at herne bay said: Things were very different then......... and yes they were each rider had ONE bike in the pits. If that failed he would pay to use the "track spare" . riders would have their bike loaded onto a bike rack on the rear of their car, others had a bike trailer. riders would use the same bike season after season , not sell off all their gear every season and buy new. riders owned one crash helmet and put a different colour cover RED BLUE WHITE or YELLOW/BLACK riders owned one set of leathers and kept them for years. You can see why the riders costs have increased...... IMO things began to change when the late great Ivan Mauger came onto the scene with bikes located in every speedway country. "professionalism " came into speedway. Now it seems every rider from a National League reserve appears on a brand new bike with glitter guards and all the trimmings. They all expect speedway to provide them with full time employment. Whilst i completely agree with you Bob there is also the issue with promotions demanding certain levels of equipment. Even at NL most will be expected to turn up with 2 bikes every week. Add in that i have seen plenty of capable riders overlooked because a similar standard rider has the fancy kit, impressions certainly count. Obviously there will always be exceptions and riders will turn up with dodgy old bikes and succeed but its certainly the few rather than the norm. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cityrebel 2,960 Posted November 21, 2018 5 hours ago, Ghosty said: It wasn't that long ago I remember a young Tai Woofinden (Scunthorpe) turning up @ Plymouth in an old Ford Escort van, he impressed everyone with his skills on the track that night. Thus proving that fancy vans with "Mr Nobody Speedway Star" in big letters are unimportant & not required. P.S. also a second hand race-suit if the memory is still working! On the other side of the coin, i remember a very young Robert Lambert turning up on the IOW with his own pit crew and pit board for an NL meeting! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJWolves 82 Posted November 22, 2018 One of the decisions taken at the AGM was to make Mondays and Thursdays the race nights for the top division, much to the disappointment of Wednesday night tracks Poole and Kings Lynn. Reading in the Speedway Star today that the top flight in Sweden now has 9 tracks not 8 and there will therefore result in there being 18 rounds of league meetings, up from 14. As a consequence there are not enough Tuesdays in the Swedish season to hold all those meetings so 4 or 5 rounds will be held on Thursdays. The second tier in Sweden already ride Thursdays as well. So any uk team riding on a Thursday, and there could be 4 tracks holding their meetings that night, are going to be missing riders engaged in the Swedish League for a few meetings. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chris116 755 Posted November 22, 2018 33 minutes ago, DJWolves said: One of the decisions taken at the AGM was to make Mondays and Thursdays the race nights for the top division, much to the disappointment of Wednesday night tracks Poole and Kings Lynn. Reading in the Speedway Star today that the top flight in Sweden now has 9 tracks not 8 and there will therefore result in there being 18 rounds of league meetings, up from 14. As a consequence there are not enough Tuesdays in the Swedish season to hold all those meetings so 4 or 5 rounds will be held on Thursdays. The second tier in Sweden already ride Thursdays as well. So any uk team riding on a Thursday, and there could be 4 tracks holding their meetings that night, are going to be missing riders engaged in the Swedish League for a few meetings. Surely if Sweden run on one of our protected days then it is the Swedish teams who will have riders missing? 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Najjer 2,884 Posted November 22, 2018 On 11/21/2018 at 12:08 PM, Daniel Smith said: With the new rules on converted averages in place it would be a nonsense for rider's in both leagues to continue with their existing Championship average. They should all be converted from Premiership immediately, otherwise with the numbers there are already doubling up the BSPA are not going to achieve anything in reducing the saga. This is a point I made on another thread, which makes reducing the points limit to 38.00 even more baffling. It's going to result in stacks of second strings out of a job I expect and do nothing to solve doubling up. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skidder1 7,632 Posted November 22, 2018 (edited) 22 hours ago, DJWolves said: One of the decisions taken at the AGM was to make Mondays and Thursdays the race nights for the top division, much to the disappointment of Wednesday night tracks Poole and Kings Lynn. Reading in the Speedway Star today that the top flight in Sweden now has 9 tracks not 8 and there will therefore result in there being 18 rounds of league meetings, up from 14. As a consequence there are not enough Tuesdays in the Swedish season to hold all those meetings so 4 or 5 rounds will be held on Thursdays. The second tier in Sweden already ride Thursdays as well. So any uk team riding on a Thursday, and there could be 4 tracks holding their meetings that night, are going to be missing riders engaged in the Swedish League for a few meetings. Our terminology should read 'Priority Race Nights' of Mondays and Thursdays which were granted by the FIM even though not utilised in 2018. That means the Thursday Premiership meetings should take priority over any other country's fixtures. Of course we shall have to wait and see whether money comes into it, also whether bans are handed out for missed meetings or whether in those weeks an alternative race day will be used?! NB> Interesting comments from Rosco in this week's Star that there are more things from the AGM still to be announced - little tweaks and such - probably announced in the New Year?! Edited November 23, 2018 by Skidder1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
