TotallyHonestJohn 3,078 Posted January 8, 2019 On 1/1/2019 at 3:58 PM, WorkyWorky said: You get a new fishing rod for Xmas Gaz? On 1/1/2019 at 6:14 PM, jenga said: may have a new fishing rod for Christmas , but he is still using the same old bait . ho,ho,ho . On 1/1/2019 at 7:06 PM, Gazc said: Still using my old one . Honestly Gaz I think Worky Worky might have a point here Breath... that's it... in... out... in... out... and in again... Now count to 10 slowly Not only did you get a fishing rod off Santa you must have got some new teeth as well as you are still biting at anything and everything Question... Whats the biggest fishing rod in the world? Answer... A flag pole!!! Question... Whats the biggest fish? Answer... Gazc cos he bites at owt... Honestly as a publican (current or former?) you aren't very good at telegraphing these wind ups mind are you, I mean... Jenga even started the post off with the following 6 hours ago, jenga said: i am not normally one to cause a stir ! ! ! , but I think even Inspector Clouseau would have spotted that this was possibly a big clue to a post of epic none-sense and mischief as usual? Regards THJ By the way hope you had a good time over the Christmas and happy Hogmanay Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TotallyHonestJohn 3,078 Posted January 8, 2019 (edited) 23 hours ago, mac101 said: If you own it you have the right to do what you want with it rather than being a tenant and being told what how often and when you can do it and if they want you out you have no say about it so if they decide to close it your out unless you have somewhere else to go 48 minutes ago, jenga said: wrong . the council tells you what you can and cant do .own it or not . Honestly I understand where you are coming from Mac101 however that is only under the constraints of the lease and will be subject to local planning, if Workington could hang on for the next 3 years the Football and Rugby clubs will have gone from DP if local press reports are to be believed which will open up other options for the Comets as the council have said they would support them in either moving or retaining DP with certain criteria applied. Jenga is correct with regard to our local council (not often you hear that) and in your situation even if Allied wanted to build on Ashfield say houses or a garage or even a car park they would only be allowed to build whatever the council decreed unless planning is vastly different in Scotland of course as "change of use of land" in England anyway comes with a great deal of red tape and Workington would only ever get a lease on DP they would never own it outright. I think it was Sing13 possibly who pointed out in an earlier post that the situation at DP is the council own the land which they lease to the Rugby Club but the Rugby Club own the stadium which is the first complication of many. If the council end up building the new stadium as proposed and the Rugby move resulting in the Speedway becoming the tenants of DP then if or when the stadium was shut down the council have stated they would help in relocating the Speedway but its all "pie in the sky" at the moment. Regards THJ Edited January 8, 2019 by TotallyHonestJohn Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jenga 2,998 Posted January 8, 2019 27 minutes ago, TotallyHonestJohn said: Honestly I understand where you are coming from Mac101 however that is only under the constraints of the lease and will be subject to local planning, if Workington could hang on for the next 3 years the Football and Rugby clubs will have gone from DP if local press reports are to be believed which will open up other options for the Comets as the council have said they would support them in either moving or retaining DP with certain criteria applied. Jenga is correct with regard to our local council (not often you hear that) and in your situation even if Allied wanted to build on Ashfield say houses or a garage or even a car park they would only be allowed to build whatever the council decreed unless planning is vastly different in Scotland of course as "change of use of land" in England anyway comes with a great deal of red tape and Workington would only ever get a lease on DP they would never own it outright. I think it was Sing13 possibly who pointed out in an earlier post that the situation at DP is the council own the land which they lease to the Rugby Club but the Rugby Club own the stadium which is the first complication of many. If the council end up building the new stadium as proposed and the Rugby move resulting in the Speedway becoming the tenants of DP then if or when the stadium was shut down the council have stated they would help in relocating the Speedway but its all "pie in the sky" at the moment. Regards THJ thats a nice short piece from you . are you running out of ink(wink) ? happy new year to ya . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
geoff100 1,420 Posted January 8, 2019 Isnt the "land" which derwent park sits on being sold to pay for the new stadium! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mac101 1,187 Posted January 8, 2019 40 minutes ago, TotallyHonestJohn said: Honestly I understand where you are coming from Mac101 however that is only under the constraints of the lease and will be subject to local planning, if Workington could hang on for the next 3 years the Football and Rugby clubs will have gone from DP if local press reports are to be believed which will open up other options for the Comets as the council have said they would support them in either moving or retaining DP with certain criteria applied. Jenga is correct with regard to our local council (not often you hear that) and in your situation even if Allied wanted to build on Ashfield say houses or a garage or even a car park they would only be allowed to build whatever the council decreed unless planning is vastly different in Scotland of course as "change of use of land" in England anyway comes with a great deal of red tape and Workington would only ever get a lease on DP they would never own it outright. I think it was Sing13 possibly who pointed out in an earlier post that the situation at DP is the council own the land which they lease to the Rugby Club but the Rugby Club own the stadium which is the first complication of many. If the council end up building the new stadium as proposed and the Rugby move resulting in the Speedway becoming the tenants of DP then if or when the stadium was shut down the council have stated they would help in relocating the Speedway but its all "pie in the sky" at the moment. Regards THJ Ashfield was sold to allied and part of the deal from what I know was that they had to keep the local junior football club running there also and the land is only for sports use so they would need to try to change it if they wanted to build anything on it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TotallyHonestJohn 3,078 Posted January 8, 2019 1 hour ago, mac101 said: Ashfield was sold to allied and part of the deal from what I know was that they had to keep the local junior football club running there also and the land is only for sports use so they would need to try to change it if they wanted to build anything on it Yep so it's got a covenant on it for a specific use... but saying that the shower over here where I stay Monday to Thursday have just downgraded a Green Field site next to me to shoe horn 1200 houses on it the Bar-stewards... Down here it's only a fixed covenant whilst it suits the powers that be... and I never thought I was a Nimby but apparently I am... Doh... Regards THJ 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TotallyHonestJohn 3,078 Posted January 8, 2019 1 hour ago, jenga said: thats a nice short piece from you . are you running out of ink(wink) ? happy new year to ya . Haha.. no am running out of data as am having issues with me phone and this man flu has got as knackered.. Regards THJ And right back at ya with the compliments of the season... all the best... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snapper 188 Posted January 8, 2019 The chance of the land at Ashfield ever being built is very slim due to the fact the land is believe to be contaminated, it was an old railway works and lots of stuff was dumped there hence the name Ashfield and not fit for housing also there is a fault underneath. Just ask the owners of the houses behind the 3rd and 4th bends. The initial planning permission was rejected by the council and the developers only got it through on appeal but the home owners have had many problems with two of the houses having to be almost rebuilt due to subsidence. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jenga 2,998 Posted January 9, 2019 the chances of any houses etc being built on any contaminated/mining areas are quite high now compared to decades ago . land can be developed for building at almost every part of the uk . its only the so called green belt areas that have their rights to no new builds being put up on the areas . even so , green belt land is being built on all the time now due to housing shortage so really any piece of land is not safe from developers . even those with mine shafts and underwater natural drainage . so who knows , in a few years time ashfield could be a new housing complex or even a supermarket . thats a coupe of iudeas for the faccues to get their money back from previous losses ! what i dont need now is a sad and confused reply from the dangerous brothers . i just replied to snappers post . 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gazc 7,087 Posted January 9, 2019 16 hours ago, TotallyHonestJohn said: Honestly Gaz I think Worky Worky might have a point here Breath... that's it... in... out... in... out... and in again... Now count to 10 slowly Not only did you get a fishing rod off Santa you must have got some new teeth as well as you are still biting at anything and everything Question... Whats the biggest fishing rod in the world? Answer... A flag pole!!! Question... Whats the biggest fish? Answer... Gazc cos he bites at owt... Honestly as a publican (current or former?) you aren't very good at telegraphing these wind ups mind are you, I mean... Jenga even started the post off with the following I think even Inspector Clouseau would have spotted that this was possibly a big clue to a post of epic none-sense and mischief as usual? Regards THJ By the way hope you had a good time over the Christmas and happy Hogmanay So Jenga is fishing with his constant Glasgow digs , and here was me thinking you were semi-intelligent. Jenga has not got the brain cell capacity to go on that many fishing trips, just a summary on his years of crap but he is like marmite personally I enjoy reading his drivel I am usually left shaking my head in dis-belief but it is amusing at the same time. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TotallyHonestJohn 3,078 Posted January 9, 2019 (edited) 14 hours ago, snapper said: The chance of the land at Ashfield ever being built is very slim due to the fact the land is believe to be contaminated, it was an old railway works and lots of stuff was dumped there hence the name Ashfield and not fit for housing also there is a fault underneath. Just ask the owners of the houses behind the 3rd and 4th bends. The initial planning permission was rejected by the council and the developers only got it through on appeal but the home owners have had many problems with two of the houses having to be almost rebuilt due to subsidence. 3 hours ago, jenga said: the chances of any houses etc being built on any contaminated/mining areas are quite high now compared to decades ago . land can be developed for building at almost every part of the uk . its only the so called green belt areas that have their rights to no new builds being put up on the areas . even so , green belt land is being built on all the time now due to housing shortage so really any piece of land is not safe from developers . even those with mine shafts and underwater natural drainage . so who knows , in a few years time ashfield could be a new housing complex or even a supermarket . thats a coupe of iudeas for the faccues to get their money back from previous losses ! what i dont need now is a sad and confused reply from the dangerous brothers . i just replied to snappers post . Agreeing with Jenga two days running!!! Wow I blame the flu!!! The Green Belt they are using here is not only supposed to be contaminated due to it formally being a pit, it is riddled with mine shafts and there is an issue with Pluvial Flooding but that didn't stop them. The land was being used as open farmland within a conservation area and part of the Green Belt although the council said it was a Green Open Space not within the Green Belt so it could be turned over for development. Yet when I bought my house as a new build back in the 80's it was bought on the premise that the adjoining land was Green Belt and had a covenant on it stating it would never be built on The other chestnut was it will never be built on as it was the only North East site (apparently) where Golden Plovers fed up in the Autumn prior to migrating South and there were Crested Newt and two types of Bat also on the site and an HV pylon route right through the middle of it. All of which we were told would stop development however North Tyneside Council need to build 10,000 houses a year for the next 5 year as part of their 5 year plan (allegedly) and 1,200 units going up on this "Open Space" was a soft target for them. My daughter who lives on a new estate in Shiremoor on an old pit site has had the first dozen or so houses pulled down in her street that weren't 12/18 months old due to subsidence. The best laugh is the British Coal Board (remember them as I didn't realise they were sill going) have come along and injected a liquid grout into the holes and mine-workings as remediation and levelled the site off and now the developers are back bidding on the land as it is open season apparently due to there being houses on the site previous and it now has a different classification to build on following demolition. My question is; who; now knowing the history of the site would by a house on that land. So if the council (or developers) want the land you don't get a look in as I have been right through this process and gave up in the finish as a small estate of working class people can not take on the big boys and hope to win with the financial clout they have and the rewards and gains they can make from developing land. (1200 houses at an average of £180,000 gives a return of £216,000,000) (so who needs a euro lottery win) Newcastle is quite a small and compact city and all the surrounding estates seem to gravitate towards the centre so every bit of green space is being built on at present as it is an easy target. Glasgow on the other hand is a big sprawling metropolitan city with plenty of growing room at present and a site like Ashfield would/should be well down the list to redevelop I would assume; but never say never Snapper as you never know what some Town Planner has in store for you; but I do agree with the sentiments of your post Regards THJ Edited January 9, 2019 by TotallyHonestJohn Spelling, Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
geoff100 1,420 Posted January 9, 2019 Fans from the 70s will be saddened to know the guy who drove the tractor known as " big c" brian hartley passed away over the weekend rip a gentle giant . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tsunami 10,219 Posted January 9, 2019 4 hours ago, TotallyHonestJohn said: Agreeing with Jenga two days running!!! Wow I blame the flu!!! The Green Belt they are using here is not only supposed to be contaminated due to it formally being a pit, it is riddled with mine shafts and there is an issue with Pluvial Flooding but that didn't stop them. The land was being used as open farmland within a conservation area and part of the Green Belt although the council said it was a Green Open Space not within the Green Belt so it could be turned over for development. Yet when I bought my house as a new build back in the 80's it was bought on the premise that the adjoining land was Green Belt and had a covenant on it stating it would never be built on The other chestnut was it will never be built on as it was the only North East site (apparently) where Golden Plovers fed up in the Autumn prior to migrating South and there were Crested Newt and two types of Bat also on the site and an HV pylon route right through the middle of it. All of which we were told would stop development however North Tyneside Council need to build 10,000 houses a year for the next 5 year as part of their 5 year plan (allegedly) and 1,200 units going up on this "Open Space" was a soft target for them. My daughter who lives on a new estate in Shiremoor on an old pit site has had the first dozen or so houses pulled down in her street that weren't 12/18 months old due to subsidence. The best laugh is the British Coal Board (remember them as I didn't realise they were sill going) have come along and injected a liquid grout into the holes and mine-workings as remediation and levelled the site off and now the developers are back bidding on the land as it is open season apparently due to there being houses on the site previous and it now has a different classification to build on following demolition. My question is; who; now knowing the history of the site would by a house on that land. So if the council (or developers) want the land you don't get a look in as I have been right through this process and gave up in the finish as a small estate of working class people can not take on the big boys and hope to win with the financial clout they have and the rewards and gains they can make from developing land. (1200 houses at an average of £180,000 gives a return of £216,000,000) (so who needs a euro lottery win) Newcastle is quite a small and compact city and all the surrounding estates seem to gravitate towards the centre so every bit of green space is being built on at present as it is an easy target. Glasgow on the other hand is a big sprawling metropolitan city with plenty of growing room at present and a site like Ashfield would/should be well down the list to redevelop I would assume; but never say never Snapper as you never know what some Town Planner has in store for you; but I do agree with the sentiments of your post Regards THJ I'll guess she lives in West Allotment John. In mining areas, houses are usually built on a raft foundation, instead of the strip foundations which are under all the walls usually inside and outside. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jenga 2,998 Posted January 9, 2019 2 hours ago, geoff100 said: Fans from the 70s will be saddened to know the guy who drove the tractor known as " big c" brian hartley passed away over the weekend rip a gentle giant . a nice quiet chap . still got a picture somewhere of him in his blu n white Big C jumper . often seen him @ Cockermouth car boot .still looked the same as he did way back . a truley stand out supporter . RIP big fella . 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TotallyHonestJohn 3,078 Posted January 9, 2019 (edited) 18 hours ago, Tsunami said: I'll guess she lives in West Allotment John. In mining areas, houses are usually built on a raft foundation, instead of the strip foundations which are under all the walls usually inside and outside. Just asked and embarrassingly you are correct but West Allotment and Shiremoor were two separate pit villages when I was a kid. They now seem to have melded into one... A conglomeration of brick built shoe boxes where even putting them on concrete rafts didn't work... 19 properties were pulled down and "as new" as the properties are the place looks like a 8h1t-hole to me... Also I should take more notice of the kids when they are talking to me... lol Regards THJ Edited January 10, 2019 by TotallyHonestJohn 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
