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2 minutes ago, screm said:

Cant you keep your crap to the Berwick threads, the good people of BSF deserve better and should be spared your nonsense. 

nowt to do with you pal

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So I hope now that people are not so quick to jump to the wrong conclusions. I commented earlier on the BSF, and stated that the club was under no obligation to tell anybody what had happened, and praised them for not telling people what happened as in many cases it doesn't do any good to the rider concerned in getting another ride in the near future. But some riders try to use occasions to get their story over and get revenge, and in this case it is a great example why everyone should keep their thoughts to themselves and shut their mouths. Because of Joe trying to blacken the name and reputation of the club, due to his own immature action and telling lies, the promotion has correctly had to tell everyone what really happened, and everyone should come to the conclusion that that will not do the reputation of  Joe any good in trying to get a ride in future, and may have stopped some from giving him any bookings. If it does happen, well we know it's not Glasgows fault, and Joe might have to learn how to behave in future.  One thing is for sure, Kyle Bickley is not involved in this in any way, and I hope he wows the Glasgow crowd and makes some good progress with them.

I remember seeing Joe at Northside probably about 7 years ago on his little Janshi 80cc blasting it out with bigger lads and better bikes, and thought he could go far. This instance will not help that progress. :angry:

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2 hours ago, Tigerforever said:

Went rather quiet on this thread for some reason lol,  I bet half of the people who had a go at the club don’t post an apology or even comment on the statement from Mr Facenna .

fact,  people love to moan lol

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Would Joe Lawlor have been sacked if there was not a rider of Bickley’s potential available?

 

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1 hour ago, Fingersfin said:

Paulco interested in how you would have pitched the initial Facebook post in order to avoid accusations of

A. Saying to much? 

Or 

B. Not saying enough? 

Maybe along the lines of due to a breach of club discipline it is regrettable we have had to dispense with the services of Joe Lawler.  The club have moved swiftly to gain the signing of Kyle Bickley as his replacement . 

 

I understand the club not wishing to air it's dirty washing in public , but likewise being vague with it's statement fuelled the ability to jump to the wrong conclusions 

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32 minutes ago, Endeavour said:

Would Joe Lawlor have been sacked if there was not a rider of Bickley’s potential available?

 

A breach of club discipline would in most cases result in this happening with any promotion regardless of who was or wasn't available 

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1 hour ago, Paulco said:

Maybe along the lines of due to a breach of club discipline it is regrettable we have had to dispense with the services of Joe Lawler.  The club have moved swiftly to gain the signing of Kyle Bickley as his replacement . 

A lot to like about that, I think the club were trying their best not to hurt Joe's reputation but unfortunately he failed to grasp that opportunity. 

Personally I don't think it would have mattered what the tone of the post was, those with their own agendas would have sought to take advantage. 

 

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1 hour ago, Endeavour said:

Would Joe Lawlor have been sacked if there was not a rider of Bickley’s potential available?

 

.......Yes !

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5 hours ago, geoff100 said:

But had kyle not been free would u still have sacked joe?

Maybe you've not fully digested Peter's statement, or understood the relevant parts.

Joe's actions went beyond the realms of Glasgow Tigers speedway.

Allied Vehicles are a major employer in Glasgow - they employ over 600 people. Their reputation was put at risk with the hotel chain, the Chief Fire officer  and the significant number of hotel guests who had to evacuate their rooms and stand in a car park in the middle of the night. I'm confident some, if not significantly more, of those guests would have been complaining at reception the next morning.

So if you were the Glasgow promotion and weighed up the full extent of Joe's actions and the potential impact on your major business - would the availability of a replacement rider be in the forefront of your mind?

I very much doubt it.

 

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9 hours ago, Paulco said:

Now that the full story has come out , i must apologize for my initial reaction which was arrived at due to my cynical attitude I have about speedway these says . 

The whole thing is unfortunate , Joe is a teenager and teenagers are not the most predictable of individuals and i hope he learns from this big mistake he has made . 

But i feel the news could have been announced better by my club . The unforseen circumstances bollocks that was trotted out only served to fuel the belief that Kyle Bickley was always going to replace one of the reserves once Workington shut . 

Hope this is the last unsavoury incident we have to deal with and we can now settle down to enjoy the coming season . 

Lets face it, you certainly wouldn't be the only one to be cynical given the information that you had. I like to think I am fair minded, but that my first reaction was that this was an excuse to get rid of a rider and replace him with a far better one.

If we are cynical, I'd say that's what actions within speedway have made us. 

Even now, and even taking into account the circumstances (and its difficult to suggest Glasgow's actions aren't reasonable) there's still a suspicion that had the riders been different so the reaction might have been. 

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4 hours ago, george.m said:

Maybe you've not fully digested Peter's statement, or understood the relevant parts.

Joe's actions went beyond the realms of Glasgow Tigers speedway.

Allied Vehicles are a major employer in Glasgow - they employ over 600 people. Their reputation was put at risk with the hotel chain, the Chief Fire officer  and the significant number of hotel guests who had to evacuate their rooms and stand in a car park in the middle of the night. I'm confident some, if not significantly more, of those guests would have been complaining at reception the next morning.

So if you were the Glasgow promotion and weighed up the full extent of Joe's actions and the potential impact on your major business - would the availability of a replacement rider be in the forefront of your mind?

I very much doubt it.

 

The point made by Geoff is not a totally unreasonable one.

I certainly think that the effect on the speedway team would be taken into account when any decision was made. 

To turn your position round, say you had an outstanding starlet almost guaranteed to put 3 points on his average - and league titles are won by such riders - and his replacement was a 2.00 rider who would stay as a 2.00 rider. 

Can you say for definite that the reaction would have been the same or that it would have been if this were Craig Cook ? 

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8 hours ago, Endeavour said:

Would Joe Lawlor have been sacked if there was not a rider of Bickley’s potential available?

 

I'd like to think that any club would've acted in similar fashion. 

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End of the day. Lawlor was at his work place so to speak. Got very drunk and caused some aggro. 

 

Most if not all people would get sacked from there employers if you was to do something similar. 

 

It's very unfortunate for Joe and very lucky for Kyle.

 

As it goes I do think Kyle would eventually have gone to Glasgow but I'm pretty sure Glasgow was going to wait till

 

1, see if chessell was fit enough to start season if not Kyle would be in. 

 

Or

 

2, they would have give both lads the first month and if 1 of them struggled then kyle would have been in. 

 

But I bet the other 8 or so clubs would have done the exact same thing to which ever reserve started poorly. 

 

So good luck Kyle and lets hope little Joe learns from this, he wont make the same mistake again

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9 hours ago, Paulco said:

A breach of club discipline would in most cases result in this happening with any promotion regardless of who was or wasn't available 

Unfortunately Paul it doesn't and that is why these young lads don't understand the consequences of their actions when having a laugh. The trend is to sweep it under the carpet or laugh with them.

Imagine the frustration as a sponsor when your team or team members choose not to wear the corporate image or race jackets are removed before photographs are taken? I sponsored a team who won a trophy on a hot day and all but one of the riders had removed their race jacket and 2 had rolled their race suit down to their waist revealing the sleeveless under garments on a rostrum photograph that appeared in SS. My boss was was really impressed and asked me how he could put that on the boardroom wall.

Glasgow are to be commended for their investment and commitment to professionalism, when the sport is full of corporate bodies we might then attract major sponsors, blue chip names and wider media coverage, until then it's the egg and spoon race run by the Village Fete Committee.

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7 hours ago, george.m said:

Maybe you've not fully digested Peter's statement, or understood the relevant parts.

Joe's actions went beyond the realms of Glasgow Tigers speedway.

Allied Vehicles are a major employer in Glasgow - they employ over 600 people. Their reputation was put at risk with the hotel chain, the Chief Fire officer  and the significant number of hotel guests who had to evacuate their rooms and stand in a car park in the middle of the night. I'm confident some, if not significantly more, of those guests would have been complaining at reception the next morning.

So if you were the Glasgow promotion and weighed up the full extent of Joe's actions and the potential impact on your major business - would the availability of a replacement rider be in the forefront of your mind?

I very much doubt it.

 

I stand by what i said and as others have said had it have been anyone else what the actions have been the same.

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