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2 hours ago, Sings4Speedway said:

Its not just the engines though and in fact even if the motors stayed the same riders can find substantial savings year on year. Riders do not need new frames every season (and several young Aussies come over and compete successfully on 2nd hand kit), new bike covers are not constantly required, wheels don't need to be replaced just bearings refreshed, clutch plates don't need to be £40 a plate and replaced every meeting when others are available at £10 a plate and do a very similar job. The most light weight items don't need to be purchased at higher costs than standard. Replacing everything when it shows slight wear or shale rash has become a mindset and that needs to change.

Spot on.  When talking to Jeremy Doncaster a few years ago he said he was very keen to keep as much stuff from one year to the next as possible, frames, wheels etc.  Fact is, many riders use new every year because they want to, not because they have to or need to to remain competitive. 

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1 hour ago, PHILIPRISING said:

BEHIND the scenes, as it were, moves are afoot to standardise equipment and reduce cost for riders, from the top to the bottom.

"The costs to a rider's equipment is nothing to do with the promoters." - allegedly... :D

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9 minutes ago, iwright71 said:

What good would a 2 min clock do ?

When that clock goes to zero ,you’re not ready to go you’re out no ifs no buts out ,works well in the GPs 

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1 hour ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said:

When that clock goes to zero ,you’re not ready to go you’re out no ifs no buts out ,works well in the GPs 

Well that's not going to happen. The rule was wrongly changed to allow riders a full 2 minutes to enter the track, not to be ready to race. Unfortunately health and safety gone mad, rule the day and all the 2 minute clock would show is the time remaining for riders to be on track. Add a very slow ride round to the tapes, a practise start or 2,  intervention of the start marshal to bring riders to the tapes or move riders over and you probably have a good 4 minutes from when the 2 minute warning went on . I agree the rule works in the GP but don't expect it in British Speedway, Its a thing of the past  

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1 minute ago, PHILIPRISING said:

WHY should it not work in Britain if administerred properly. Thing of the future rather than the past.

Can't think of any rule / legislation in Britain that was brought in for health and safety reasons being reversed or unpicked . Once you start on this path there is usually no going backwards.

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2 minutes ago, iwright71 said:

Can't think of any rule / legislation in Britain that was brought in for health and safety reasons being reversed or unpicked . Once you start on this path there is usually no going backwards.

What's the 2 minute rule displayed on a clock, got anything to do with H & S. It's about pace of a meeting, and making sure the 2 minutes is administered fairly rather than be random as you quoted earlier. B)

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1 minute ago, Tsunami said:

What's the 2 minute rule displayed on a clock, got anything to do with H & S. It's about pace of a meeting, and making sure the 2 minutes is administered fairly rather than be random as you quoted earlier. B)

The 2 minute clock doesn't mean anything. To stop riders rushing to the tapes, crossing the centre green, going the wrong way round the tapes, you now only need to be on the track within 2 minutes , not at the tapes ready to start. Its feasible now that from when the 2 minutes goes on, we could be 4 minutes away from the start of the race, The start of the race is determined by the riders and the starting official , not the 2 minute clock as in the GP. 

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Just now, iwright71 said:

The 2 minute clock doesn't mean anything. To stop riders rushing to the tapes, crossing the centre green, going the wrong way round the tapes, you now only need to be on the track within 2 minutes , not at the tapes ready to start. Its feasible now that from when the 2 minutes goes on, we could be 4 minutes away from the start of the race, The start of the race is determined by the riders and the starting official , not the 2 minute clock as in the GP. 

That's not true now. If the clock was introduced, the same rules as the GP would probable be adopted. Riders going the wrong way, crossing the centre green, not being ready at the tapes,   are all in the control of the rider, There is no way, under even the present rules, that a rider could use up 4 minutes after the start of the normal 2 minutes and still be allowed to be in that race. :nono:

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4 hours ago, Humphrey Appleby said:

"The costs to a rider's equipment is nothing to do with the promoters." - allegedly... :D

It is nothing to do with the promoters but they are taking steps to FORCE the reduction in wages.

Even with this theory of standardisation, this will still see rider's walk away because they can't have it their own way. Absolutely no way would the likes of Iversen, Doyle, Holder, R.Lambert etc be interested in single manufacturing, standardised equipment so we're going to lose these guys anyway.

Sod the expense of standardisation and let it remain a free for all but reduce the rider wages.

Instead of Peter Johns use Micheal Lee - cheaper

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14 minutes ago, Tsunami said:

That's not true now. If the clock was introduced, the same rules as the GP would probable be adopted. Riders going the wrong way, crossing the centre green, not being ready at the tapes,   are all in the control of the rider, There is no way, under even the present rules, that a rider could use up 4 minutes after the start of the normal 2 minutes and still be allowed to be in that race. :nono:

 

 

14 minutes ago, Tsunami said:

That's not true now. If the clock was introduced, the same rules as the GP would probable be adopted. Riders going the wrong way, crossing the centre green, not being ready at the tapes,   are all in the control of the rider, There is no way, under even the present rules, that a rider could use up 4 minutes after the start of the normal 2 minutes and still be allowed to be in that race. :nono:

I'm just quoting the rule as it is now. " Riders have 2 minutes to enter the track, not 2 minutes to get to the tapes". When the race starts is at the discretion of how quickly a rider gets to tapes and how quickly the official  brings them to tapes. I didn't see anything from the AGM saying that those rules had changed.

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1 hour ago, Daniel Smith said:

It is nothing to do with the promoters but they are taking steps to FORCE the reduction in wages.

Even with this theory of standardisation, this will still see rider's walk away because they can't have it their own way. Absolutely no way would the likes of Iversen, Doyle, Holder, R.Lambert etc be interested in single manufacturing, standardised equipment so we're going to lose these guys anyway.

Sod the expense of standardisation and let it remain a free for all but reduce the rider wages.

Instead of Peter Johns use Micheal Lee - cheaper

For the life of me I just can't understand why you're not the BSPA Chairman!

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1 hour ago, iwright71 said:

 

 

I'm just quoting the rule as it is now. " Riders have 2 minutes to enter the track, not 2 minutes to get to the tapes". When the race starts is at the discretion of how quickly a rider gets to tapes and how quickly the official  brings them to tapes. I didn't see anything from the AGM saying that those rules had changed.

Not true. Check the rules in Section 15 Racing Rules 15.2.1 to 15'2.7. The 4 minutes is the guideline for refs to pace the meeting, so each heat should normally start about 4 minutes after the last start of the previous heat. When the riders are coming out onto the track the ref puts on the 2 minutes, and the rider has to do anything he needs to do, and be ready to race, and under the control of the Start Marshall, who will then advise the ref the race is ready to start. Read the rules properly 

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The Polish system of riders having 2 minutes to be ready to start the race is the best way to reduce delays and improve the flow of the meeting. I assumed that the introduction of the 2 minute clock would also see the introduction of the Polish rule. It will do nothing to stop the messing about at the gate, that irritates so many fans, if the clock only shows when riders have to be on the track. Theoretically, they have to be on track now once the 2 minutes ends and the race should normally start within 4 minutes of the previous race but that has had little or no effect on the amount of gardening.

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