Dickie Head 240 Posted March 3, 2019 Planning information: https://pa.midkent.gov.uk/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=documents&keyVal=PJJ0SNTYFN400 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Dyer 116 Posted March 3, 2019 (edited) 16 hours ago, Dickie Head said: Planning information: https://pa.midkent.gov.uk/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=documents&keyVal=PJJ0SNTYFN400 Oh dear. Unless I have read this wrongly, it looks like the change of race day is likely to be rejected on 7 March or shortly thereafter. Edited March 4, 2019 by Rob Dyer Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
East End Fan 426 Posted March 3, 2019 7 hours ago, Rob Dyer said: Oh dear. Unless I have read this wrongly, it looks like the change of race day is likely to be rejected on 7 March. Having read all the letters of objection ( thanks to the online details given by Rob Dyer), I am amazed at the objections which refer to things like air pollution. As a regular attendant at Speedway for many many years, I have never considered air pollution to be a factor. I simply do not believe that local residents could suffer such an intrusion. Noise in itself has always been a factor that our sport has had to deal with and we all know that silencers which have been compulsory for a long time now HAVE worked. Even inside a stadium the noise levels are way below what they used to be and it is even noticeable that bikes at the far end of the stadium cannot be heard as much as when they are close. It therefore MUST follow that outside of the stadium, it HAS to be much lower. None the less I accept that some local residents near any Speedway stadium COULD hear the bikes and it COULD be a nuisance. However, this has nothing to do with a change of race day. To my mind, if there is noise intrusion ( always debateable) what difference does the day it takes place matter ? Saturday, I would guess, would be the lesser of all evils, given a choice. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
teaboy279 1,038 Posted March 8, 2019 Planning denied. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HGould 2,200 Posted March 8, 2019 (edited) That's not good news for Kent or Speedway. The Planning Dept seem pretty fixated against any change of race night and we have seen elsewhere that it is very hard to change initial opinions. Unless the current 3 League, fixed race night in PL structure is changed, Kent are basically stuck in the NL with the only Monday night option being PL. Can Len risk a move to the PL? massive increase in costs on gates of 600-700? if he can only run Mondays? Kent solace may be 1 League and Monday night in one big League but can crowds cover increased costs? Edited March 8, 2019 by HGould small grammar change Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cityrebel 2,960 Posted March 8, 2019 15 minutes ago, HGould said: That's not good news for Kent or Speedway. The Planning Dept seem pretty fixated against any change of race night and we have seen elsewhere that it is very hard to change initial opinions. Unless the current 3 League, fixed race night in PL structure is changed, Kent are basically stuck in the NL with the only Monday night option being PL. Can Len risk a move to the PL? massive increase in costs on gates of 600-700? if he can only run Mondays? Kent solace may be 1 League and Monday night in one big League but can crowds cover increased costs? The way the sport is heading, most of the tracks will be down to Kent's level in a couple of years. If they survive that is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
00000 1,279 Posted March 8, 2019 Planning councillors are never keen when someone gets planning permission for one thing and keeps returning with new applications to amend/change what they already have. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HGould 2,200 Posted March 8, 2019 14 minutes ago, Richard Weston said: Planning councillors are never keen when someone gets planning permission for one thing and keeps returning with new applications to amend/change what they already have. Yes, in my experience Richard, if you are turned down once, best tactic is to walk away; leave it, take a bit of time and fine tune and try again 18-24 months later. Not the kind of committees to annoy with what they grow to think are futile appeals. Would have thought Kent have someone professional helping them as us fans are not always ideal in these cases as we have an emotional attachment that planning geeks just dont understand. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
arnieg 3,603 Posted March 8, 2019 Let's see what the published minutes give as the reason for refusal. The way the discussion ( and the planning officer's report) have gone lead me to conclude that an appeal to the Planning Inspectorate would have a high chance of success. It would not however help with this season's fixture planning. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iris123 20,849 Posted March 8, 2019 22 minutes ago, Richard Weston said: Planning councillors are never keen when someone gets planning permission for one thing and keeps returning with new applications to amend/change what they already have. Surely though it is in the Councils interest that a facility is used the best it can.The more people that can be attracted into the area the better? I don't know though how many times planning applications have been entered.And of course residents concerns have to be taken into account.But like someone else has stated it is only a change of day, and the weekend I would have thought is better than a monday Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
00000 1,279 Posted March 8, 2019 2 hours ago, iris123 said: Surely though it is in the Councils interest that a facility is used the best it can.The more people that can be attracted into the area the better? I don't know though how many times planning applications have been entered.And of course residents concerns have to be taken into account.But like someone else has stated it is only a change of day, and the weekend I would have thought is better than a monday As I understood it, Kent wanted the possibility of racing on a Saturday and the following Monday. You can see why neighbours could be upset, especially if this was over a bank holiday. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
East End Fan 426 Posted March 8, 2019 55 minutes ago, Richard Weston said: As I understood it, Kent wanted the possibility of racing on a Saturday and the following Monday. You can see why neighbours could be upset, especially if this was over a bank holiday. I very much doubt that this is the case. With the comparatively small official fixture list, I do not see that Kent would want to race more than once a week. Just does not make any sense. BUT this is probably the misunderstanding which caused the current refusal. Be interesting to see what the official reason was. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
00000 1,279 Posted March 8, 2019 1 hour ago, East End Fan said: I very much doubt that this is the case. With the comparatively small official fixture list, I do not see that Kent would want to race more than once a week. Just does not make any sense. BUT this is probably the misunderstanding which caused the current refusal. Be interesting to see what the official reason was. Yes, they wanted the right to run one day per week, Monday to Saturday and retain the right to continue with the approved bank holiday arrangements. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
00000 1,279 Posted March 8, 2019 Here is the official reason for refusal: The Council hereby REFUSES Planning Permission for the above for the following Reason(s): 8 March 2019 (1) Whilst consideration has been given to the benefits the use brings to the town and the wider Borough, and the benefits which would arise as the result of the proposal, the use of the site for the holding of league and cup speedway meetings on Saturdays would give rise to demonstrable and substantial harm to the living conditions of nearby residents by virtue of noise and disturbance. The proposal is contrary to Policy DM14 of the Swale Borough Local Plan 2017 and to the provisions of the National Planning Policy Framework and National Planning Policy Guidance in relation to Noise. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sings4Speedway 3,223 Posted March 8, 2019 12 minutes ago, Richard Weston said: Here is the official reason for refusal: The Council hereby REFUSES Planning Permission for the above for the following Reason(s): 8 March 2019 (1) Whilst consideration has been given to the benefits the use brings to the town and the wider Borough, and the benefits which would arise as the result of the proposal, the use of the site for the holding of league and cup speedway meetings on Saturdays would give rise to demonstrable and substantial harm to the living conditions of nearby residents by virtue of noise and disturbance. The proposal is contrary to Policy DM14 of the Swale Borough Local Plan 2017 and to the provisions of the National Planning Policy Framework and National Planning Policy Guidance in relation to Noise. That is one alarming denial reason given. If noise is deemed harmful on a Saturday it asks the question why is it not deemed harmful on a Monday night. Whilst the decision taken completely contradicts the current permission given it must open the door for the local anti speedway brigade to try and get it shut down all together? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites