Sidney the robin 4,735 Posted May 9, 2019 25 minutes ago, steve roberts said: I'm afraid Sid that was one meeting I missed although I have it on DVD and is best remembered for the 'coming together' of Ivan Mauger and John Davis and which Davis was subsequently excluded and missed out on that year's World Final. I was excited to see Penhall/ Bast ride they both found it difficult but i always believed both would of practiced at Swindon beforehand after a meeting as both tracks were reasonably similar.Iris and Chunky i believe see Bast at Wimbledon do some laps but i dont know if he did any other track? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve roberts 9,242 Posted May 9, 2019 55 minutes ago, Sidney the robin said: I was excited to see Penhall/ Bast ride they both found it difficult but i always believed both would of practiced at Swindon beforehand after a meeting as both tracks were reasonably similar.Iris and Chunky i believe see Bast at Wimbledon do some laps but i dont know if he did any other track? I recall that there was talk of Mike Bast signing for Wimbledon prior to the 1975 season but nothing materialised. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sidney the robin 4,735 Posted May 9, 2019 59 minutes ago, steve roberts said: I recall that there was talk of Mike Bast signing for Wimbledon prior to the 1975 season but nothing materialised. He was on mega money in the States and his demands over here were unrealistic for any club.Penhall i can remember he was earmarked for Halifax first but that stalled for some reason McCormick was a shrewd bloke at Cradley.As for Bast we will never know what he could of achieved over here but Mike seemed happy with his career and you have to say he was a class rider Penhall also held him in high esteem. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
daveallan81 330 Posted May 9, 2019 17 hours ago, Grand Central said: My completed programme has a different time for the final 1982 World Team Cup - Victor Lodorum Heat 1 : Schwartz, Penhall, K Moran, S Moran 70.4 Heat 2 : Maier, Hack, Gilgenreiner, Muller (NS), Wiesbock (NS) 71.2 Heat 3 : Dryml, Verner, Ondrasik, Stancl (F) 71.6 Heat 4 : Knudsen, Gundersen, Eriksen, Nielsen (NS), Olsen (NS) 71.4 Final : Schwartz, Knudsen, Dryml, Maier 70.5 Many thanks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cityrebel 2,960 Posted May 9, 2019 10 hours ago, Sidney the robin said: You were a regular at White City Steve did you see Bast/ Penhall in 77.?? I did Sid, the crowd was massive that day. I think it was the biggest at the City in the post war era. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
andout 650 Posted May 9, 2019 12 hours ago, Sidney the robin said: That side really had a great spirit Schwartz( very underated) was a great team man an awesome team partner he was great on the white line. The mention of Schwartz just brought a couple of things to mind, he was always always a very approachable gentleman....certainly in his early and latter days anyway. I first saw Schwartz at Owego, New York for the very first US OPEN National Championship in 1977.....he won of course. The next year I was on the centre doing some photography and unfortunately got a good photo of Bob breaking his thumb after a close encounter on bends three and four. Wish I could find that photo today...also got one of him in a full slide waving!!!! And yes Sid....I always thought he was underrated too! 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve roberts 9,242 Posted May 10, 2019 5 hours ago, andout said: The mention of Schwartz just brought a couple of things to mind, he was always always a very approachable gentleman....certainly in his early and latter days anyway. I first saw Schwartz at Owego, New York for the very first US OPEN National Championship in 1977.....he won of course. The next year I was on the centre doing some photography and unfortunately got a good photo of Bob breaking his thumb after a close encounter on bends three and four. Wish I could find that photo today...also got one of him in a full slide waving!!!! And yes Sid....I always thought he was underrated too! The late John Berry admired Bobby and his work ethic and his account of him made for interesting reading in a past 'Backtrack' edition. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sidney the robin 4,735 Posted May 10, 2019 5 hours ago, andout said: The mention of Schwartz just brought a couple of things to mind, he was always always a very approachable gentleman....certainly in his early and latter days anyway. I first saw Schwartz at Owego, New York for the very first US OPEN National Championship in 1977.....he won of course. The next year I was on the centre doing some photography and unfortunately got a good photo of Bob breaking his thumb after a close encounter on bends three and four. Wish I could find that photo today...also got one of him in a full slide waving!!!! And yes Sid....I always thought he was underrated too! Great post this i loved watching Bobby and he was also terrific at Eastbourne just a shame in never got a run at it at World Championship level.By the way andout what was your overall opinion of Mike Bast he was odviously a brilliant home boy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cityrebel 2,960 Posted May 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Sidney the robin said: Great post this i loved watching Bobby and he was also terrific at Eastbourne just a shame in never got a run at it at World Championship level.By the way andout what was your overall opinion of Mike Bast he was odviously a brilliant home boy. One of my claims to fame Sid, was seeing Steve Bast ride for Wembley in 1970. I think he only rode a couple of home meetings. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sidney the robin 4,735 Posted May 10, 2019 48 minutes ago, cityrebel said: One of my claims to fame Sid, was seeing Steve Bast ride for Wembley in 1970. I think he only rode a couple of home meetings. I never see Steve ride City, he odviously was a very good rider as he interrupted his brothers dominance in the national championships twice 1969/73.I saw Keeter ride once for Leicester and the talented Rick Woods at Newport odviously saw all of the disappointing McKnight Swindon home meeting's going back to Steve i believe the terrific Bert Harkins helped him alot. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
andout 650 Posted May 10, 2019 7 hours ago, Sidney the robin said: Great post this i loved watching Bobby and he was also terrific at Eastbourne just a shame in never got a run at it at World Championship level.By the way andout what was your overall opinion of Mike Bast he was odviously a brilliant home boy. Yes you got that one right "a brilliant home boy" and really that was "it" in my opinion.....while he ruled the California circuits he could never come to grips with the bigger tracks. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sidney the robin 4,735 Posted May 10, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, andout said: Yes you got that one right "a brilliant home boy" and really that was "it" in my opinion.....while he ruled the California circuits he could never come to grips with the bigger tracks. He did get around Ascot??? that was my doubt could he get around Hyde Rd, The shay,Swindon, County Ground, Owlerton in England.Ability wise i believe he could but Costa Mesa is alot different to a wet and mega racey night in Manchester on a crap Saturday night i still say Mike was classy could he of adjusted who knows. Edited May 10, 2019 by Sidney the robin Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wealdstone 3,454 Posted May 10, 2019 11 hours ago, cityrebel said: One of my claims to fame Sid, was seeing Steve Bast ride for Wembley in 1970. I think he only rode a couple of home meetings. Saw Steve Bast ride for most of his Wembley career, he never got close to mastering English conditions and it was a regular event to see him with other Wembley riders being shown what lines he should ride. As far as I am aware he never had his own equipment during his time here and rode the Wembley track spare Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
andout 650 Posted May 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Sidney the robin said: He did get around Ascot??? that was my doubt could he get around Hyde Rd, The shay,Swindon, County Ground, Owlerton in England.Ability wise i believe he could but Costa Mesa is alot different to a wet and mega racey night in Manchester on a crap Saturday night i still say Mike was classy could he of adjusted who knows. Not sure about his Ascot adventures, I'm sure he did well....why....well he was in a class of his own for a long time in California......They were the really early days of American Speedway...it only restarted in 1969 and his only real competition was Rick Woods and his brother. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cityrebel 2,960 Posted May 10, 2019 1 hour ago, wealdstone said: Saw Steve Bast ride for most of his Wembley career, he never got close to mastering English conditions and it was a regular event to see him with other Wembley riders being shown what lines he should ride. As far as I am aware he never had his own equipment during his time here and rode the Wembley track spare I know he rode in an abandoned meeting at Custom House. It must have been a shock to ride on a huge track like West Ham. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
